New colors https://copy.com/mewPAFa0GuQo and designer's answer:
Several blue variants to be considered. As well as several fonts. I do not agree about the font - I like it very much, it is modern - not all serifs are outdated. The font is called Aleo, you can read some here http://fontfabric.com/aleo-free-font/ 2014-03-07 15:29 GMT+01:00 Andrew Carr <andrewlanec...@gmail.com>: > I have a tattoo already. > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>wrote: > >> >> On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnew...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at >> > 99designs to get it done right. >> > >> > Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo; >> that >> > can make some printing a bit trickier. >> > >> > Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right? >> > >> > Right? >> > >> > Anyone? >> >> Sure, why not. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, i...@flyingfischer.ch < >> i...@flyingfischer.ch >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans SC >> and >> >> Alef and others aren't. >> >> >> >> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be seen in >> >> the given case. >> >> >> >> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the >> >> appropriate kind of font for the situation? >> >> >> >> Markus >> >> >> >> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta: >> >> >> >>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata. Also found Voltaire and Oswald. >> >>> >> >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >> >>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile| >> >>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald< >> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald >> > >> >>> >> >>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Maybe some of these >> >>>> >> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >> >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide| >> >>>> >> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata< >> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata >> > >> >>>> >> >>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>: >> >>>> >> >>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. >> >>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" < >> i...@flyingfischer.ch> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of M.C. >> >>>>>> Escher. Great work. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern touch, >> >>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match >> nicely >> >>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Best regards >> >>>>>> Markus Fischer >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Link if attachment is missing >> >>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? >> >>>>>>>> (*Chris*) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart < >> >>>>>>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue >> version >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> would be also nice. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org >> >: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and >> we >> >>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough >> ;-) >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds >> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >> >>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, >> some >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to >> tell >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/? >> >>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the >> message >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared >> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> other one). >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media >> >>>>>>>>>>>> communicators. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things >> >>>>>>>>>>> should >> >>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too >> >>>>>>>>>>> long >> >>>>>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the >> old >> >>>>>>>>>>> one >> >>>>>>>>>>> as >> >>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it >> with >> >>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and >> >>>>>>>>>>> catchy >> >>>>>>>>>>> now >> >>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO >> >>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find >> better >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a >> >>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround >> >>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to >> >>>>>>>>>>> interact >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to >> formulate >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>> turn >> >>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a >> >>>>>>>>>>> designer, >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen >> >>>>>>>>>>> design >> >>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I >> >>>>>>>>>>> outlined >> >>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first >> proposal >> >>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a >> >>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND >> >>>>>>>>>>>> does some work) >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of >> >>>>>>>>>>> the ideas >> >>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that >> someone >> >>>>>>>>>>> steps >> >>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am >> >>>>>>>>>>> super >> >>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to >> >>>>>>>>>>> provide >> >>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession >> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> actual >> >>>>>>>>>>> work is all about. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think >> and >> >>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what >> well >> >>>>>>>>>>> founded >> >>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both >> incorporate >> >>>>>>>>>>> what >> >>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a >> >>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I >> see >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a >> >>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing >> without >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a >> pure >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with >> a >> >>>>>>>>>>> example >> >>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source >> >>>>>>>>>>> projects, >> >>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/ >> >>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to >> be >> >>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side... >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in >> >>>>>>>>>>> favor >> >>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a >> clean >> >>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what >> >>>>>>>>>>> strikes me >> >>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a >> >>>>>>>>>>> font. >> >>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> well >> >>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it completely >> >>>>>>>>>>> black >> >>>>>>>>>>> from >> >>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look >> like >> >>>>>>>>>>> very >> >>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even >> more >> >>>>>>>>>>> than?) >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the >> >>>>>>>>>>> first >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind >> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> font >> >>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as >> >>>>>>>>>>> this >> >>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look >> like. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of >> >>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - >> as >> >>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. >> And I >> >>>>>>>>>>> also >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting point to go into design >> iteration. It >> >>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me >> >>>>>>>>>>> needs to >> >>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a >> next >> >>>>>>>>>>> step) >> >>>>>>>>>>> should look like. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting >> >>>>>>>>>>> Google >> >>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a >> clean >> >>>>>>>>>>> brand >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&; >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei= >> >>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042# >> >>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an >> >>>>>>>>>>> iconified >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphic: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl= >> >>>>>>>>> http://www. >> >>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box- >> >>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid= >> >>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/ >> >>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei= >> >>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305& >> >>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl= >> >>>>>>>>> http://www. >> >>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl= >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way. >> >>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1& >> >>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw= >> >>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting >> for >> >>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll >> give >> >>>>>>>>>>> it a >> >>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But >> basically >> >>>>>>>>>>> my >> >>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logos. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they already put into this. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which >> >>>>>>>>>>> might >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these two question: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >> >>>>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier >> >>>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> René Gielen >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/rgielen >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>>>>>> --------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>> Łukasz >> >>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>>>> --------- >> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>> --------- >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> --------- >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Łukasz >> >>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >>>> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > e: davelnew...@gmail.com >> > m: 908-380-8699 >> > s: davelnewton_skype >> > t: @dave_newton <https://twitter.com/dave_newton> >> > b: Bucky Bits <http://buckybits.blogspot.com/> >> > g: davelnewton <https://github.com/davelnewton> >> > so: Dave Newton <http://stackoverflow.com/users/438992/dave-newton> >> >> > > > -- > With Regards, > Andrew Carr > > e. andrewlanec...@gmail.com > w. andrew.c...@openlogic.com > h. 4235255668 > c. 4239489852 > a. 101 Francis Drive, Greeneville, TN, 37743 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
