Hi Graham,
Graham wrote:
I understand what John is saying here and for the majority of the users of the
website what he says is bang on the money.
I read what he is saying as well, but tend to disagree regarding the
bang. Who are the majority of the users of the website?
As I said, Uno (URE) is the foundation of OOo, if you do not know about
it, that is sad :-(
Heh, well be sad for me too, because I have little idea about such ethereal
matters either
Sad again.
My impression is, that you basically think you are the only one allowed
to have an opinion how users and contributors etc. are to be guided
through the main page.
That's a bit harsh, John was offering his opinion, an opinion which is as
relevant as anyones
Certainly it _is_. As relevant as _anyones_, _including_ the project leads.
From my point of view OOo is build up by its
accepted projects, so these accepted projects very well have the right
to attend to interest.
I'm sorry, I don't understand this
Unsure what you 'don't understand', you do know that OOo has so called
accepted projects, don't you?
And just another word regarding the terms contributor or contributing.
IMHO these are chosen badly,
Agreed, but this was exhaustively discussed by the website team during the
last upgrade and nothing better was suggested.... That doesn't mean to say
that there isn't a better way, just we haven't found it yet.
Admittedly I haven't participated at the discussion. So, if possible I
would like to reopen it.
I am pretty sure that only a very few
people arriving at the homepage already know that they want to
contribute, especially developers (which we are lacking, in contrary to
users) are mostly curious about how things work, despite wanting to
'contribute' in the first place.
One of the things we need to do is to define why developers would want to
contribute their time to the project. I've been working on a marketing
Actually, I am not only interested in developers, but certainly also in
testers, documenters, usage reports, FAQs, examples etc.
pamphlet aimed at developers over the last few weeks. (In response to a
little prompting from Erwin :) )
(http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=69698) Despite repeated
asking no-one has been able to contribute anything to that in terms of
elements that are attractive to developers. (other than John that is! )
I am going to take at look at it ...
It would seem to me that to create webpages targeted at developers we would
need to be able identify what it is that would make working on OOo
attractive to them.... in other words that same type of thing that seems to
be so hard to get for the flyer
IMHO it is the same with OOo as with all open source projects, it is
about itching your scratch (or was it scratching your itch :-), earning
some honor, commercial interest etc. etc.
I know that marketing is probably a dirty word amongst developers but what we
Not being a marketing expert at all, I wouldn't say that it is a dirty
word, au contraire I would say that basically everything is about
marketing and presentation ... ;-)
have here is the need for simple marketing procedures
Identify your market
Identify their needs/desires
Identify how we can fill those needs/desires
and tell them.
Please don't forget 'our needs', this is IMHO one of the differences
between open source and may be commercial entities, eventually it is to
everybody's advantage.
cheers
G
Kay
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