And if the wicket core developers do not want to have 1.3 + 1.4 + 2.0 in parallel: I believe that we old wicket 2.0 users could live with xM1 (=1.3 + Generics)
That means: 1. Not need to support more than 2 branches/Versions 2. Very quick generics for wicket based upan a stable release 3. We old Wicket 2 users now can mitgrate to xM1, having new features and Generics 4. We old Wicket 2 users have to suffer a few API changes until releasing x but I think we can live with this. Stefan -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Martin Benda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2008 22:49 An: dev@wicket.apache.org Betreff: Re: Planning Wicket Next Generation ...and the answer is: We would like to see java5-only major release *ASAP* If you are going to add many new features in the next major release, those poor "early 2.0 adopters" (like me and my co-workers) will have to wait another 6-12 months... +1 for 1.4 = 1.3 + java5 :-) Bendis Dne Friday 14 of March 2008 22:32:35 Igor Vaynberg napsal(a): > the question, sounds like, is not whether or not java5 will make it > into the next major release - that has always been a given, the > question is whether or not the next "major" release should simply be > 1.3+java5 stuff ONLY which would allow it to be released very > quickly... > > -igor > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Martin Benda > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Wicket devs, > > > > we are in the same situation too :-) For more than a year we are > > stuck to the dead 2.0 branch and are still hopefully awaiting the > > new generified major release. Old 2.0 with a few patches works quite > > fine but we won't probably survive waiting another year for the 1.4/2.0 > > release... > > > > So I'm totally +1 for adding only generics and other Java 1.5 > > features in the next major release... > > > > Regards, > > Bendis > > > > Dne Friday 14 of March 2008 22:14:56 Stefan Lindner napsal(a): > > > Dear Philip, > > > > > > we are in the same situation. Just starting a new project, we > > > discussed to write a generic wrapper for all the wicket classes > > > (Model, Component, etc.). We are waiting for a generic wicket > > wersion > now for a year. Having a genierfied wicket version (let's > > call it > 1.4M1 or 2.0M1) wohlg make us sooo happ. > > > > > > Migration to wicket 1.3 was impossible because of heavy generic > > usage > all around our code. It's hard to imagine how to use > > wicket's model > without generics. > > > > > > I totally agree with your opinion: "Quit punishing us 2.0 early > > > adopters already". > > > > > > It is still a pleasuere to use OLD wicket 2.0 and it still works > > > pretty stable. And I am sure it will be much more pleasure to work > > > with a generified wicket 1.4/2.0 > > Stefan > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Philip A. Chapman > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2008 22:00 > > > An: dev@wicket.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Planning Wicket Next > > Generation > > > > > > ++++++++++1 > > > > > > I've been waiting on generics since 2.0 was killed. As an early > > > adopter of 2.0, I've been struggling with a few projects that > > where > written against 2.0. So far, I've fought off the urge to > > convert to > 1.3 simply because it doesn't make sense to rewrite > > for 1.3, then > again for 1.4. Also, these projects make *heavy* > > use of generics and > it would be a terrible pain to re-write them > > without. I'd rather go > straight to the generics version. Quit > > punishing us 2.0 early adopters > already. > > > > > > Jeremy Thomerson wrote: > > > > I definitely don't have any votes in this, but I have several > > > > production apps running with Wicket, and use 1.5 / generics in > > all > > of them. Has there been any discussion of a faster release > > that > > ONLY includes generics? Last I remember, someone had the > > generics > > patch(es) basically done, and just needed to apply them. > > > > > > > > I would really like to see generics soon, but if they get put > > in > > with all the other features for 1.4, it would be 6-9 months > > (at > > least) before I could use them. > > > > > > > > Jeremy Thomerson > > > > -- sent from a wireless device > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Johan Compagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > dev@wicket.apache.org > > Sent: 3/14/08 4:23 PM > > Subject: Re: > > Planning Wicket Next Generation > > > > Its not that > > revolutionairy. > > > > For example if 1.4 was just 1.3+generics then if your project > > like > > vocus thats already on 1.5 it would be a drop in > > replacement. So api > > and 'feature' wise not much has happend > > then, only easy of > > development (for most not all are fans ;)) > > > > > > On 3/14/08, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> On 3/14/08, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> is the next release an evolution or revolution? :) i think > > first > >>> we need to make a list of all major things we want to > > go into it, > >>> and then decide. > > > >> > > > >> I think it counts as revolutionary: abandoning Java 1.4 is > > > >> revolutionary I think. > > > >> > > > >>> > 2 - are we going to timebox the milestones, or plan on > > > >>> > features added? > > > >>> > > > >>> personally i think we should come up with a list of all the > > > >>> features we want, throw them into a backlog, and timebox it. > > > >> > > > >> See the wishlist: > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/wicket-14-wish-list.html > > > >> > > > >>> > 3 - how many milestones do we plan? > > > >>> > > > >>> id like 6. 1-4 dev, 5-6 stabalizaton. we were never able to > > get > >>> away with just one beta release before, most bugs are > > found after > >>> we put out the first beta...so i dont expect a > > lot of bugs to be > >>> found until the last dev milestone goes out. > > > >> > > > >> Fine with me. > > > >> > > > >>> > 4 - which features go into each milestone? > > > >>> > > > >>> what are the features? :) > > > >>> > > > >> :D > > > >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/wicket-14-wish-list.html > > > >> > > > >> Martijn > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Buy Wicket in Action: http://manning.com/dashorst Apache > > Wicket > >> 1.3.1 is released Get it now: > > > >> http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.1 > > > > -- > > Martin Benda > > Technology Leader > > __________________________________________ > > Cleverlance - The Clever Enterprise Solutions The Winner of the > > Technology FAST 50 for Czech Republic www.cleverlance.com > > <http://www.cleverlance.com/> > > > > European Business Center > > Dukelských hrdinů 34 > > 170 00 Praha 7 > > Czech Republic > > > > Phone: +420 266 177 166 > > Cell.: +420 774 470 824 > > Fax: +420 266 177 155 -- Martin Benda Technology Leader __________________________________________ Cleverlance - The Clever Enterprise Solutions The Winner of the Technology FAST 50 for Czech Republic www.cleverlance.com <http://www.cleverlance.com/> European Business Center Dukelských hrdinů 34 170 00 Praha 7 Czech Republic Phone: +420 266 177 166 Cell.: +420 774 470 824 Fax: +420 266 177 155
