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And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. to And programmer is not a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. Thanks, moon On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote: > Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. > > If i add more answer, > > So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. And 5 of them > is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different affiliation invited > since it's incubation. > > I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may depends on how > you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at least 3 > different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of all PPMC > disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still able to make > any decisions. > > Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of graduation according > to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman mention). > > I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to affiliation. 'Diversity' > can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, experience, and > so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite diverse. > > One person could have more commits than others. > But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people has the same > single vote, that's effective particularly making decision in Apache way. > > > Regarding diversity of view points, > > To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of PR/issue (most > discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're strong or not, and > most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it 'mature' than 'no > disagreement'. > > And many different of features and improvements has been discussed and > contributed from various people/organizations, most of them actually not on > the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from Zeppelin > community. > > Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any discussion, If > we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always improve it by > explicitly encourage participating discussion from Zeppelin's contribution > guide, or by any other way. > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc > [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb > <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E> > > Thanks, > moon > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> > wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the diversity of the PMC, >> and >> > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is largely >> centered >> > around one individual and company. >> >> FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation have been, >> if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern in the past few >> years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. >> >> Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of diversity of view >> points >> is quite real in my opinion. >> >> > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what to do about >> having >> > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to get to meet our >> > standard, we adjusted the standard. >> >> That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in projects >> waxes and wanes >> all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a bunch of >> volunteers and >> lulls are to be excepted. >> >> Thanks, >> Roman. >> >
