Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. If i add more answer,
So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. And 5 of them is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different affiliation invited since it's incubation. I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may depends on how you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at least 3 different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of all PPMC disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still able to make any decisions. Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of graduation according to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman mention). I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to affiliation. 'Diversity' can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, experience, and so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite diverse. One person could have more commits than others. But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people has the same single vote, that's effective particularly making decision in Apache way. Regarding diversity of view points, To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of PR/issue (most discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're strong or not, and most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it 'mature' than 'no disagreement'. And many different of features and improvements has been discussed and contributed from various people/organizations, most of them actually not on the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from Zeppelin community. Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any discussion, If we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always improve it by explicitly encourage participating discussion from Zeppelin's contribution guide, or by any other way. [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E> Thanks, moon On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the diversity of the PMC, > and > > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is largely > centered > > around one individual and company. > > FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation have been, > if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern in the past few > years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. > > Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of diversity of view > points > is quite real in my opinion. > > > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what to do about > having > > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to get to meet our > > standard, we adjusted the standard. > > That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in projects > waxes and wanes > all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a bunch of > volunteers and > lulls are to be excepted. > > Thanks, > Roman. >
