Mr.Bad wrote on 4/16/01 5:25 pm: >>>>>> "AL" == Adrian Lopez ><adrian2 at caribe.net> >writes: > > AL> It seems like various >people here would rather do >away with AL> KSKs. I'd like >these people to address how >data submission AL> might >be dealt with in lieu of public >keyspace. How would AL> >in-freenet key indices work >without KSKs? How would >things AL> like EOF be >implemented if users aren't >able to submit data AL> >under public keys bearing a >particular prefix? > >I think both of them could be >handled by having a >public-write-private-read >key type -- kind of like an >SSK in reverse.
The thing is that Freenet is very good at doing one-to-many communication (such as a BBS), but, IMHO, it may not work so well as for one-to-one or many-to-one communication, such as e-mail. > > AL> Is getting rid of KSKs >really worth having to rely >on external AL> services for >collecting data? > >I'd definitely say NOT until >we've got some other >mechanism in place. For the record, I have stoped working on the DNS-over-Freenet because it needs a SECURE public namespace to work. There might be a way to do it with SSKs and CHKs only, but I haven't found it yet. The only ones I've thought of or have been suggested suffer from the same problems the current DNS system does. Timm Murray ----------- Theory is when you know how it works, but fails. Practice is when something works, but you don't know why. Here, Theory and Practice come together. Nothing works, and nobody knows why. _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list Devl at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl >From - Sat Apr 21 18:04:22 2001 Return-Path: <devl-admin at freenetproject.org> Received: from hawk.freenetproject.org (postfix@[4.18.42.11]) by funky.danky.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05320 for <danello at danky.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:58:02 -0400 Received: from hawk.freenetproject.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.freenetproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B7C580CC; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: devl at freenetproject.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by hawk.freenetproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A79A57D97 for <devl at freenetproject.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagrat42 ([213.48.123.172]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:31:36 +0000 Received: from toad by bagrat42 with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14r340-0004e4-00 for <devl at freenetproject.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:29:00 +0100 To: devl at freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Public Keyspace and Data Submission Message-ID: <20010421202859.A17848 at cableinet.co.uk> References: <026401c0caa6$ecd88a90$0353aad0 at classified> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <026401c0caa6$ecd88a90$0353aad0 at classified>; from timm at madtimes.com on Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 03:03:05PM -0400 From: toad <[email protected]> Sender: devl-admin at freenetproject.org Errors-To: devl-admin at freenetproject.org X-BeenThere: devl at freenetproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org List-Help: <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:devl at freenetproject.org> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl>, <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion of information related to Freenet development <devl.freenetproject.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl>, <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:29:00 +0100 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 3adbdd6c00000157 Status: O Content-Length: 652 Lines: 20 > > For the record, I have stoped working on the DNS-over-Freenet > because it needs a SECURE public namespace to work. There > might be a way to do it with SSKs and CHKs only, but I haven't > found it yet. The only ones I've thought of or have been suggested > suffer from the same problems the current DNS system > does. > > > Timm Murray What is a secure public namespace? -- Anarchists who refuse to learn the use of computer networks deserve to live in slavery -- with apologies to Leon Trotsky _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list Devl at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl >From - Sat Apr 21 18:04:23 2001 Return-Path: <devl-admin at freenetproject.org> Received: from hawk.freenetproject.org (postfix@[4.18.42.11]) by funky.danky.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05817 for <danello at danky.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:48:03 -0400 Received: from hawk.freenetproject.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.freenetproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D015801A; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: devl at freenetproject.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cb862134-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.183.4.102]) by hawk.freenetproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA92E57D97 for <devl at freenetproject.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from owen at localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f3LLLIV01783; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:21:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: owen set sender to ywwg at usa.net using -f From: Owen Williams <[email protected]> To: devl at freenetproject.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Message-Id: <987888078.1465.1.camel at ywwg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freenet-devl] versions and codenames Sender: devl-admin at freenetproject.org Errors-To: devl-admin at freenetproject.org X-BeenThere: devl at freenetproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org List-Help: <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:devl at freenetproject.org> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl>, <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion of information related to Freenet development <devl.freenetproject.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl>, <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/> Date: 21 Apr 2001 16:21:18 -0500 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 3adbdd6c00000158 Status: O Content-Length: 242 Lines: 8 Is "whiterose" freenet version .4? I think .3 is fred... it just gets confusing sometimes. owen _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list Devl at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl >From - Sat Apr 21 18:04:24 2001 Return-Path: <devl-admin at freenetproject.org> Received: from hawk.freenetproject.org (postfix@[4.18.42.11]) by funky.danky.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05989 for <danello at danky.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:16:04 -0400 Received: from hawk.freenetproject.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.freenetproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B72580C1; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: devl at freenetproject.org Received: from gate.oierw.net (unknown [24.163.166.157]) by hawk.freenetproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E5D57D97 for <devl at freenetproject.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mathew ([192.168.101.2] helo=phlemball) by gate.oierw.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14r5Y9-0000Yv-00 for <devl at freenetproject.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:08:17 +0000 Message-ID: <01a801c0caad$60092960$0265a8c0 at phlemball> From: "Mathew Ryden" <[email protected]> To: <devl at freenetproject.org> References: <987888078.1465.1.camel at ywwg> Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] versions and codenames MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: devl-admin at freenetproject.org Errors-To: devl-admin at freenetproject.org X-BeenThere: devl at freenetproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org List-Help: <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:devl at freenetproject.org> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl>, <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion of information related to Freenet development <devl.freenetproject.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl>, <mailto:devl-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:52:35 -0500 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 3adbdd6c00000159 Status: O Content-Length: 616 Lines: 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Williams" <[email protected]> > Is "whiterose" freenet version .4? I think .3 is fred... it just gets > confusing sometimes. fred is the java "reference" implementation of freenet. currently it exists as a 0.3 and a partial 0.4 implementation whiterose is the c++ implementation of freenet written exclusively by agl. it works (does it still) as a 0.3 node and should have a partial implementation of 0.4 as well. > owen -Mathew _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list Devl at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl
