Hi, I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered "Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind when I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour.
Just my 2 cents, Marta [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Denis and all, > > > On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting > close to a conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more > fuzz than good. > > I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default” > looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong > opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use > “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute it > with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle differences, or > not). > > So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki > flavor” (and this is not really about the American spelling of flavour ! > :D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So if > we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going to lead > a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same suffix. Is > that our intention ? > > “XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since > it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However, if > our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using “Standard > Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our > meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with “Standard > Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better. > > WDYT ? > > I agree with you. > > I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI: > * “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as > we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for flavors > should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and then > “developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or > “developed by Denis Gervalle”. > * "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one > made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name but > the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and then > “developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc. > > If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for > the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as opposed > to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that “Wiki > Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he even > mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”. “Standard > Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic > Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it. > > Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki > Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor” (or > “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is with > their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”. > > WDYT? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > -- > > Denis Gervalle > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > wrote: > > So here is the current situation > > > > = Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto > > > > * "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3) > > * "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2) > > > > = Someone gave a veto on those > > > > * "Base XWiki Flavor" > > * "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy > > and Vincent) > > * "Raw XWiki Flavor" > > * "Starter XWiki Flavor" > > * "XWiki Flavor” > > * "Generic XWiki Flavor" > > > > Anyone want to change his votes ? > > > > I don't really have a preference between "Default" and "Standard". > > > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV: > >> > >> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas) > >> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a non > classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense) > >> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory) > >> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which > isn’t the case) > >> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1 > >> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1 > >> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO) > >> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually > means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other > flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. IMO > it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means compared > to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo > Flavor” from contrib. > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > >> > >>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi devs, > >>> > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE. > >>> > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed > XWiki now. > >>> > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor" > >>> :)). > >>> > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails: > >>> * "XWiki Flavor" > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor" > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor" > >>> > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term. > >>> > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor. > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me. > >>> > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name. > >>> > >>> WDYT ? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thomas Mortagne > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Mortagne > >
