"Standard" -> Current, generalist, non-specialized, all-round solution, good for everybody to use or to start with * https://www.google.ro/search?q=define+standard * http://www.dictionary.com/browse/standard
"Classic" -> Old, legacy, historical, proven reliable by time, etc. (when comparing to the modern, current version); generally implies "old", in one way or another * https://www.google.ro/search?q=define+classic * http://www.dictionary.com/browse/classic You usually have this in software when you have 2 versions: current/modern one (standard) and the older one (classic). IMO, "classic", by itself, does not make sense (i.e. when you don`t have a "standard" to compare with) and it would be sending the wrong message. Also, everything we do (developing, manual and automated testing, roadmap, etc.) is around this flavor, so it is the "standard" to which we relate. I also have nothing against "Generic" or "Default" (i.e. +0) which focus more on the functional objective of the flavor, but they get a bit technical by going into these details, so that`s why I felt "Standard" was abstract enough and also clear enough in sending the right message, which is "Pick me if you don`t know what you want". P.S.: "classic" bikeshedding :) (but I guess it's OK on this type of thread :) ) Thanks, Eduard On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm not keen on the "Standard" terminology because it can make people think > other flavors (such as Knowleged Flavor) are not standard which could be > seen as pejorative. > > "Classic" does not imply being better or worse and describes what this > flavor really is: the "classical" version of XWiki that we have distributed > for years. Which also means: not specialized for a special use-case. > > Thanks, > > Guillaume > > 2017-05-26 14:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>: > > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > No there is no default UI in this distribution, just flavors. > > > > > > As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which > > > you will see the classic one and the others. > > > > > > Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and > > > don't let you choose a flavor like XE does. > > > > > > > I feel we`re having a bit of duplication here between the "default UI" > and > > the "Flavor" steps. AFAICT, they do pretty much the same thing and should > > ideally be merged. Basically, the default UI mechanism should indicate > the > > recommended flavor/ui (if any) for the war you have, but should also not > > enforce it, allowing you to go with whatever flavor you like. There's > > really no point in separating the 2 and I guess we are here because they > > were developed in separate efforts. > > > > Anyway, back to the original question of the thread, I reiterate my +1 > for > > "Standard" (I'm not a fan of "classic", which I find awkward and a bit > > old-fashion/outdated :), specially if you consider people new to XWiki). > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > When you download the war, you have no UI. At that point, I guess you > > > will > > > > be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which, > in > > > > this case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor") > > OR > > > > choose from a list of available Flavors. In this case, I guess that > > > > "Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to > > avoid > > > > duplication. > > > > > > > > If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first > > option > > > > (i.e. featured) to be the "standard" and, below it, various > > alternatives > > > > for various/specialized use cases. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < > [email protected] > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Hi, > > > >> > > > > >> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in > > > previous > > > >> > discussions. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start > > > customizing > > > >> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard". > > > >> > > > >> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor > > > >> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others > > > >> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a > > packaging > > > >> (for > > > >> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in > > > it`s > > > >> > name. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > Eduard > > > >> > > > > >> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < > > > >> >> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > +1 for Classic > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Classic sounds good. +1 > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <[email protected]>: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons : > > > >> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, > > > now we > > > >> >> > might > > > >> >> > > have more than one > > > >> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me > > > >> >> > > It has a distinguishable name > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other > > flavors > > > >> are > > > >> >> > > non-xwiki ones...) > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Olivier Sérès > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne < > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> >> a > > > >> >> > > écrit : > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu < > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > >> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > > > >> >> > > >>> Hi devs, > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around > new > > > >> platform > > > >> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE. > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker > when > > > >> >> installed > > > >> >> > > XWiki now. > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic > > flavor, > > > >> not > > > >> >> > tied > > > >> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge > Base > > > >> Flavor" > > > >> >> > > >>> :)). > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails: > > > >> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor" > > > >> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" > > > >> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor" > > > >> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor" > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> A few more ideas: > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> * Classic > > > >> >> > > >> * Raw > > > >> >> > > >> * Starter > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw". > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for > most > > > >> users. > > > >> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter". > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term. > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a > base > > > >> flavor. > > > >> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of > > course > > > >> it's > > > >> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre > > > >> installed > > > >> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me. > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, > it's > > > not > > > >> >> going > > > >> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you > > > >> actually > > > >> >> > see > > > >> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it > nicer > > > than > > > >> >> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same > thing > > > >> since > > > >> >> the > > > >> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other > > flavor. > > > >> I'm > > > >> >> > also > > > >> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a > > better > > > >> name. > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >>> WDYT ? > > > >> >> > > >>> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> -- > > > >> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu > > > >> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > -- > > > >> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > -- > > > >> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > >> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > >> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Thomas Mortagne > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas Mortagne > > > > > > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project >
