I'm not keen on the "Standard" terminology because it can make people think other flavors (such as Knowleged Flavor) are not standard which could be seen as pejorative.
"Classic" does not imply being better or worse and describes what this flavor really is: the "classical" version of XWiki that we have distributed for years. Which also means: not specialized for a special use-case. Thanks, Guillaume 2017-05-26 14:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>: > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > No there is no default UI in this distribution, just flavors. > > > > As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which > > you will see the classic one and the others. > > > > Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and > > don't let you choose a flavor like XE does. > > > > I feel we`re having a bit of duplication here between the "default UI" and > the "Flavor" steps. AFAICT, they do pretty much the same thing and should > ideally be merged. Basically, the default UI mechanism should indicate the > recommended flavor/ui (if any) for the war you have, but should also not > enforce it, allowing you to go with whatever flavor you like. There's > really no point in separating the 2 and I guess we are here because they > were developed in separate efforts. > > Anyway, back to the original question of the thread, I reiterate my +1 for > "Standard" (I'm not a fan of "classic", which I find awkward and a bit > old-fashion/outdated :), specially if you consider people new to XWiki). > > Thanks, > Eduard > > > > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > When you download the war, you have no UI. At that point, I guess you > > will > > > be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which, in > > > this case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor") > OR > > > choose from a list of available Flavors. In this case, I guess that > > > "Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to > avoid > > > duplication. > > > > > > If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first > option > > > (i.e. featured) to be the "standard" and, below it, various > alternatives > > > for various/specialized use cases. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eduard > > > > > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected] > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > Hi, > > >> > > > >> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in > > previous > > >> > discussions. > > >> > > > >> > > >> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start > > customizing > > >> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard". > > >> > > >> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor > > >> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others > > >> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed. > > >> > > >> > > > >> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a > packaging > > >> (for > > >> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in > > it`s > > >> > name. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > Eduard > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < > > >> >> [email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > +1 for Classic > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> Classic sounds good. +1 > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <[email protected]>: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons : > > >> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, > > now we > > >> >> > might > > >> >> > > have more than one > > >> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me > > >> >> > > It has a distinguishable name > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other > flavors > > >> are > > >> >> > > non-xwiki ones...) > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Olivier Sérès > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne < > > >> [email protected]> > > >> >> a > > >> >> > > écrit : > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu < > > >> [email protected]> > > >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > > >> >> > > >>> Hi devs, > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new > > >> platform > > >> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE. > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when > > >> >> installed > > >> >> > > XWiki now. > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic > flavor, > > >> not > > >> >> > tied > > >> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base > > >> Flavor" > > >> >> > > >>> :)). > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails: > > >> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor" > > >> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" > > >> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor" > > >> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor" > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> A few more ideas: > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> * Classic > > >> >> > > >> * Raw > > >> >> > > >> * Starter > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw". > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for most > > >> users. > > >> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter". > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term. > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base > > >> flavor. > > >> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of > course > > >> it's > > >> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre > > >> installed > > >> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me. > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's > > not > > >> >> going > > >> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you > > >> actually > > >> >> > see > > >> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer > > than > > >> >> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing > > >> since > > >> >> the > > >> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other > flavor. > > >> I'm > > >> >> > also > > >> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a > better > > >> name. > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> WDYT ? > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> -- > > >> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu > > >> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > -- > > >> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- > > >> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > >> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > >> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Thomas Mortagne > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Mortagne > > > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project
