Hi Norbert and All Norbert, I am no way a specialist of universal design - I don't design, let alone universally - so I hope others will answer your question as to its use for fighting the discriminations you list below. Tentatively, between your items:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Norbert Bollow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >(...) > > Hmmm... there are also other forms of discrimination against > minorities which involve closely related economic mechanisms: > > - discrimination against developers and users of minority computer > operating systems through use of patented or otherwise restricted > proprietary data formats UD probably can counter that through being in the end more attractive/competitive than these restricted formats. See MS acknowledging that ODF has won at the Red Hat Summit in June ("Red Hat Summit panel: Who 'won' OOXML battle?" <http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/06/19/red-hat-summit-panel-who-won-ooxml-battle>). Or did I misunderstand your question. > > - discrimination against people who for whatever reason want or > need to avoid indiscriminately leaking personal information > over the internet UD probably doesn't help there, as far as I can understand: thinking of the various Google offers that could be described as fitting UD definition, but bank on folks accepting to trade in part of their privacy. > > - discrimination against people who for whatever reason have only > slow and/or expensive access to the internet, or who are only > able to conveneinetly access the internet via a device with a very > small screen, such as a mobile phone. (In absolute numbers, this > is probably currently actually a majority, but from the perspective > of many websites, this is a very small minority of their users, > therefore the same economic mechanisms apply.) UD can help there, I believe: accessible sites made according to UD principles also load faster and also work better on the devices you mention - besides, Roberto Ellero, whom I mentioned as advocate of UD in my former post, lives in a part of Italy where the only internet access on a computer so far is 56 kb/s ("when the wind is blowing from the right direction", adds a friend of mine who lives in a similar area, access-wise) and is still able to manage the webmultimediale.org site under these conditions ;-) > > Claude, is the "universal design" collaboration which you describe > defined so generally as to also encompass these aspects of > universality of design which are not directly related to disabilities It is defined far more generally than for just access for disabled people. But - see above - it does not, as far as I know, encompass the privacy issue. > > If yes, I think I'll probably be looking into whether there'd be some > mutually beneficial way in which I could join in into that "universal > design" alliance... and if not, I'd be interested in discussing > whether it would make sense to attempt to initiate a more broadly > defined alliance. Not sure about an existing single UD alliance: for the Web, there is IWA iwanet.org, but you also have architects and engineers advocating UD: see for instance Fred Tepfer, architect and planner, who works at the University of Oregon <http://www.uoregon.edu/~ftepfer/index.html>, whose <http://www.uoregon.edu/~ftepfer/SchlFacilities/TireSwingTable.html> page with the "tire swing cartoon" I adapted in <http://www.webmultimediale.org/almansi/2008/09/il_ponte_luovo_e_il_dondolo.html>. And that was Roberto Ellero's point in his video: the coming together of UD advocates both in the real world and the online world about the obstacles of Calatrava's bridge. (BTW, just as inaccessible sites are a pain for people with slow connection or handheld devices, the bridge obstacles do not only hamper people in wheelchairs, but also parents with a pram or carting things with something that has wheels). So I don't know whether such a unique general alliance between advocates of UD in all fields will come to light, but it is a good sign that in Italy, they've started collaborating. Best Claude Almansi _______________________________________________ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.