gowger;332705 Wrote: 
> Crikey, fast reponse here! 
> 
> Thanks for the interesting points folks. 
> 
> I don't even know where the original headphones are for the ipod! They
> were irrelevant. I'm using little sennheiser ones, they kind of hook
> into your ear. They sound pretty good. I used to use a big pair of
> sennheisers but your right the ipod couldn't drive them, at all!
> 
> But where you really notice is when you plug it into something decent.
> Fair point on the fact that your usually jogging or driving, or in my
> case cycling a lot. Depends what your driving though :-) An smooth audi
> with bose isn't bad :-) 
> 
> For cycling though someone's gotta make a pair of headphones that are
> aerodynamic, the wind roar is the biggest problem on the bike!
> 
> I'm kind of surprised that the good DAC in the SB (2 in my case)
> wouldn't be possible to fit into a compact machine, I would expect the
> voltage to be pretty low for the chip like. But of course there's a lot
> more to it than that by the sounds of things. for the sound of things
> :-P 
> 
> I wouldn't worry about the power supply though a battery would be
> totally smooth I expect
> 
> I didn't realise there was much of a difference between line outs and
> headphone outputs but it sounds pretty unlikely that anyone would
> bother to engineer a proper line out supply, unless it was some kind of
> professional device I guess. Which would probably imply a price as 
> hefty as it's weight.

When you plug it into other devices, like your car, are you using the
dock connector line out or the headphone jack.  Big difference.  You
can get connector cables that have the dock on one side and mini phone
plug on the other. 10-12 bucks and they make a world of difference
bypassing the headphone jack.  You won't have volume control so you
have to plug into something that does.  I first discovered this with my
rockboxed Nano. I almost bought a headphone amp just so I could go out
of the line out for headphones too.  I bought some Westone headphones
instead. They are the most comfortable in the ear I've ever worn.  I
can sleep with them in and not notice. The sound quality is up there
with the best.  You might want to look into them too. I use the UM2
dual driver version. Maybe next year for the amp.


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