Dave Crocker writes:

 > On 6/13/2014 12:46 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
 > > Well, for Author Domains publishing "p=reject", we can certainly 
 > > confuse the issue dramatically.  Change the protocol to advocate 
 > > "silent discard"
 > 
 > Question to the group:  Does silent discard help?  Or rather, do we have
 > any indication that noisy "p=reject" does or can hurt?

We have the latter: mailing list deactivations and unsubscriptions.
This effect can be mitigated but not eliminated because the same
domains that agree to use "p=reject" refuse to provide informative
DSNs, or even consistent status codes.

That said, the more I think about this, the less I'm inclined to think
it's important.  There are multiple mitigations (ie, both heuristic
recognition of "p=reject" bounces and mitigations based on avoiding
DMARC rejects in the first place).  These mitigations will be largely
effective in newer versions of Mailman (and I assume other MLMs), and
for older versions non-delivery is probably much the bigger problem,
now that MLM developers and support understand why the deactivations
and unsubscriptions occurred.

I withdraw the suggestion of recommending silent discard for the
purpose of protecting mailing list subscribers.

Steve

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