On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 6:20 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone believe that things will change if we publish an RFC which > says "Verizon Media MUST change to p=none"? I don't. > It would be absurd to make such a directed statement. I trust you're simply being hyperbolic. However, a consensus statement by the IETF saying we believe such operators are using it wrong, or even harmfully, might be meaningful. In hindsight I wish we had made RFC 7489 more forceful on this point. Lists have been hurt by the move to authenticated email. Point taken. > However, the world is not going back to the good old days,. > I infer from this that not only do you believe a revert is out of the question, but so too is compromise going forward. I suggest that's rather an extreme position to take. There is no hope for a list solution to appear from outside the list > community. > I don't agree. If the problem originated outside the list community, maybe the solution ought to come from there. If or when list advocates reconcile themselves to that reality, we can > start making real headway on solving the problem. > In my view, this is in effect the same thing as saying "Life isn't fair" again. > The outlines of the solution have been on the table for several years > already. But those solutions have been ignored because list advocates are > waiting for everyone else to change to meet list needs. > Can you please explain why lists are so clearly second class use cases to you? -MSK, participating
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