My experience has been that the connectivity choice is the smallest portion of the EDI expense. Sure, your VAN charges you per Kc, but the real cost is making sure documents come in, get sent out, "packing" the order, changing the initial ship to (for JC Penney only), creating the ASN (God forbid the ASN is ready and you ship short), generating the invoices, printing the labels, and all the ancillary reports associated with these functions.
ashlieohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: New to the group... The expense and headache of managing an EDI dept. is not small...I agree with you. However, how do I explain to my customer that has hired me for my services that our third party provider for EDI doesn't work on Saturdays or Sundays so the missing ASN to Walmart is dead in the water...enjoy that chargeback! Sorry...been burned too many times. I've had to explain myself and my company (different jobs...I've experienced the same thing for the past 8 years) out of so many bad situations regarding outsourced EDI that I would go with the expense and headache of my own EDI dept. 10 times over. And Wal-Mart drives everything...there's no secret there. I have spoken to vendors and retailers alike that do not have any plans to move to an AS2 solution or upgrade to a new X12 version but then - BAM!- it's suddenly due the following week because Wal-mart is planning to do it as well. I dare someone to do a study on how many companies make decisions based on Wal-Mart's new initiative to upgrade to a new X12 version. Steve -- I know your name from somewhere...it's killing me that I can't place where I know it from. --- In [email protected], "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It continues to amaze me at how many people have blinders on when it comes > to EDI processing. The simple fact is that if your company is committed to > EDI and has made a conscious decision to incur the expense and headache of > managing internal EDI systems then Walmart's AS2 offering makes complete > sense. However, once you remove the blinders and see the full spectrum of > companies and take into consideration everyone's motivation regarding EDI > you will see that Walmart's decision as well as any major retailers decision > to connect directly to suppliers is a major boom to the EDI consulting and > third party services industry. Our VAN and Managed Services Business has > grown because of these direct connect requests. Why? It still comes down > to whether or not a company wants to continue with the expense of running an > EDI department. Sure, the they save some money on connectivity but after > you replace everything else with properly deployed Managed Services the > overall costs are still significantly lower and the service level usually > increases because the resources involved with providing the EDI expertise is > not diluted doing other IT projects. Remember, your eyes are never the only > ones that see the world for what it is. Your perspective only applies to > your situation and what you know or think you know. Trust me, the VAN > business will not die. It is being re-engineered under your very eyes. > Just wait and see. > > > > Steve Montgomery > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Earl > Wertheimer > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:19 AM > To: Jackie Woodie; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Re: Reducing/eliminating our EDI VAN -AS2 Certification > > > > Jackie > > > I agree with you. Wal-Mart did a good thing doing away with bisynch > > communication. The time it took to transfer data could be incredible > > depending on the size of the file. Now being able to access data through > the > > AS2 mailbox they created for their suppliers can make things easier. > > I'll agree with you 100% here... > > > Wal-Mart will never be popular with consultants and/or 3rd parties because > > they like to connect directly to the supplier. They don't make life very > > easy for anyone other than the supplier. But they offer great support for > > their suppliers. > > I'll have to disagree here ;-) > As a software developer / consultant, Walmart has supplied me with lots of > income. Installing bisynch modems, installing AS2 software, GTIN > modifications and my favorite: their 13 digit GLNs. > > I love Walmart > > > -------Original Message-------- > > > > From: Paul McTeigue > > Date: 1/23/2007 7:24:39 AM > > To: HYPERLINK "mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Re: Reducing/eliminatin-g our EDI VAN -AS2 > Certification > > > > I actually don't blame Walmart as much. > > > > They made a bet-the-company bet on the AS2 protocol and the Internet as > the > > transport > > because their bisynch costs were becoming a differentiator. They were > > looking to mitigate their risks. > > Walmart is all about scale and they wanted to do everything they could to > > minimize the ramp up. > > So they required certification. They also provided a free one partner > > license. Perhaps Walmart > > will be viewed one day as the evangelist that enabled SMB partners to > > finally slash their EDI costs! > > > > We will get to the promised land - some day. > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HYPERLINK "mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > > James Hatcher > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:25 PM > > To: HYPERLINK "mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Re: Reducing/eliminatin-g our EDI VAN -AS2 > Certification > > > > Bottom line is that if the large buyers like Wal*Mart require certified > > solutions we're all stuck with it. Good luck changing their minds. :-P > > Till then the I.T. vendors that are certified need to recover the cost and > > trading partners need to buy certified solutions. > > > > P.S. There are Drummond certified AS2 solutions in the market that offer > > unlimited trading partner license bundles for well below USD 100K. > > > > James Hatcher > > www.seeburger.-com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ... > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: > <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix. > > Yahoo! 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