> kirby urner > > Kirby - question 1. Do you understand why your messages are coming to me as > html? Makes it difficult to reply in normal form.
No, didn't realize. Using Google's gmail. How about this one? When I check the edu-sig archive, my emails look OK. I'll see what I can do to fix the problem. > And if Python educators feel that the Turtle approach is so effective that > it needs to be part of Python's core, at least make a very overt nod to > where the ideas are coming from. There are many people out of touch with the > history here. It is easy to assume that people can identify Turtle graphics > with Logo and there is no need for an explicit appreciation. Just not true, > as of now, and with the intended audience. Just a nitpicky comment that "Python's core" tends to mean "core Python" and there's no move to inject a Turtle at that level. As close as we get is turtle.py in the Standard Library. Python's other turtles are outside even that. > I personally don't pay a lot of attention to the Logo world, but the only > reason being that I am not particularly interested in reaching children with > computers. They seem to be doing fine on there own. But every impression I > have is that it is a continuing and active community, building- as you say - > on a long literature and long experience. > The move back to real robots, as in Lego Mindstorms, has been the most prominent trend I'd say. I think this will continue, perhaps with Python as one of the controlling language options. I hope so. I have a segment on that in one of my moodles, but it's not fleshed out yet (because I don't have the robots). > Loves .Net, admires Kay, and likes Arthur. I'm almost concerned ;) > Heh. > But don't we demonstrate that 2 people can agree about little, and enjoy and > respect each other. Why do you suspect that the same would not be true > with, for example, Kay? > > Art He might respect you too for all I know. Anyway, I expect we'll continue to maintain rather different positions on a lot of issues. I think that's OK with both of us. Kirby _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
