I agree this is something amateur equipment manufacturers like Elecraft
should be keeping their eye on.  If Analog Devices or someone came out
with an under-$100 ADC with performance close to the K3, then you could
save a lot of money and complexity by going to a directly-sampled RF
front end architecture.

But a lot of brilliant engineers have been working for many years trying
to optimize ADC design.  I just really have my doubts that they are
going to make a 15-20 dB breakthrough any time soon.

Al N1AL


On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 09:55, Larry Phipps wrote:
> Not today... but give it a couple years. There is a lot of R&D being 
> poured into this by a number of competing chip manufacturers. Even if 
> the next batch of designs falls a little short, an all digital design 
> with BDR close to the best conventional designs would probably enjoy a 
> very substantial market.
> 
> 73,
> Larry N8LP
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Bloom wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 18:40, N8LP wrote:
> > ...
> >   
> >> I think the days of receivers with xtal filters are numbered. High speed
> >> ADCs capable of 140dB dynamic range without xtal filtering are on the
> >> horizon. A 20-bit ADC with enough processing gain would do it. 
> >>     
> >
> > I don't think you'll find a 20-bit ADC with a high enough sample rate to
> > digitize the 3-30 MHz HF band (i.e. >65-70 MHz or so).  At least not at
> > a reasonable cost.
> >
> > I believe the best suitable, reasonable-cost ADCs available these days
> > are able to achieve a 500-Hz blocking dynamic range in the low 120's dB,
> > maybe 15-20 dB worse than the K3.  That's significantly better than the
> > previous generation of ADCs could achieve, and no doubt someday we'll
> > get even better parts that are good enough to challenge the traditional
> > superhet/crystal filter architecture.  But I don't believe we're close
> > to that level of performance today.
> >
> > Another issue, of course, is spurious responses.  I'm pretty sure that
> > current ADCs don't have good enough spurious-free dynamic range to
> > challenge a state-of-the-art receiver like the K3.
> >
> > Al N1AL
> >
> >
> >
> >   

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