Good Morning, Juho

re: "People are not always good at reason based free discussions."

How could they be? What, in our political systems, encourages "reason based" discussions? The method I've outlined cultivates such discussion among the electorate. Not the pseudo-discussion of campaign-based politics, but real discussion among real humans; the 'people' you malign.

The value of an open, discussion-based system that embraces the entire electorate can be seen in the political philosophy of Alasdair MacIntyre of Notre Dame University, as cited in The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Dr. Edward Clayton of Central Michigan University.

(Available at: http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/p-macint.htm)

To convey a tiny hint of the significance of MacIntyre's work, here are a few passages from Clayton's essay:

   When everyone is allowed access to the political decision-
   making process, "The matters to be discussed and decided on
   will not be limited as they are now; they will extend to
   questions about what the good life is for the community and
   those who make it up."

  "The benefits of a practice would then flow to those who
   participated in politics -- in fact, certain important
   benefits could only be achieved by political participation
   -- and politics would make people more virtuous rather than
   less virtuous as it now does."

  "When we have made the changes MacIntyre wants to see, politics
   will no longer be civil war by other means: 'the politics of
   such communities is not a politics of competing interests in
   the way in which the politics of the modern state is'. It is
   instead a shared project, and one that is shared by all
   adults, rather than being limited to a few elites who have
   gained power through manipulation and use that power to gain
   the goods of effectiveness for themselves."

  "Politics will be understood and lived as a practice, and it
   will be about the pursuit of internal goods/goods of
   excellence rather than external goods/goods of effectiveness."

  "It is only because and when a certain range of moral
   commitments is shared, as it must be within a community
   structured by networks of giving and receiving, that not only
   shared deliberation, but shared critical enquiry concerning
   that deliberation and the way of life of which it is a part,
   becomes possible"

Would that I had the wit and wisdom to enthuse others to make our political infrastructures more democratic ... and more amenable to the dynamics MacIntyre describes. We would all benefit.


re: "I think all political debates easily become confrontational,
     both free discussion based and fixed position (e.g. party)
     based."

That is certainly true of party-based discussions. It need not be true of free discussion, though. Free discussion can concern itself with problem-solving rather than ideological posturing, and, as MacIntyre suggests, will tend to do so, naturally.


re: "I don't think parties are necessary."

You could have fooled me.


re: "Few species kill each others as eagerly and as intentionally
     ... as we do."

As long as our political systems are based on ideological confrontation, such results are inevitable.

Fred Gohlke
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