I think that's part of the history, John. I believe one of the situations that arises from the NLF is that the requirements of each Directive are being harmonised. This often means looking at all the Directives, finding the 'most strict requirement' and then applying it to all the others.
So, you couldn't have this requirement for the Toy Safety Directive and then say that it doesn't apply to other Directives, because that would not be in line with the Directive harmonisation and NLF. The alternative would be to remove the requirement from the Toy Safety Directive, which obviously it not what they want to do. I witnessed similar conversations with regard to the 5mm height of the CE Mark. Some Directives don't (didn't) worry too much about CE Mark height but they will need to, to align through the NLF. My glasses/spectacles have thin little stems of about 2.5mm thickness, so the CE Mark on the stem is about 2mm high. I'm not sure how they could fit a 5mm CE Mark onto a 2.5mm stem. Of course, I need to take my glasses off to see the CE Mark. But without my glasses on, I cannot see a 2mm CE Mark. So, maybe I just don't care. Ignorance is bliss. Michael. Michael Derby Regulatory Engineer ACB Europe -----Original Message----- From: John Cotman [mailto:john.cot...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: 14 January 2013 16:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] One DoC per manufactured Unit?! The Toy Safety Directive already has the picture requirement on the D of C. John C -----Original Message----- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: 14 January 2013 14:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] One DoC per manufactured Unit?! You can make fun of it, but all these things have been introduced with the goal of creating a better level playing field, thus making possible to find, an pursue those manufacturers that spoil the market by selling untested, possible unsafe cheap rubbish. Customs are better able to simply stop products with false DoC, this way. Imagine the poor customs guy, having to tell if these little green pieces of plastic with copper screws on it really are the KML032-1234-s-XX as the DoC states ?? If they are, they may withold the product and dupe the honest manufacturer, if they assume it's ok, another batch of unsafe rubbish may dupe the consumer (in the end). If you look at it like that, the costs for even (if it were required) a serial number and a hologram and color image and a fully operating miniature model with each DoC are a bargain compared to the increased benefit that goes with increased sales.;<)) .... if you are not on the side of the cheaters. And of course, it also brings the cheating to a higher level, so expect even more stringent measures in the future... it's an everlasting battle between the GOOD and the BAD.... Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 P Before printing, think about the environment. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens John Woodgate Verzonden: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:00 PM Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: One DoC per manufactured Unit?! In message <64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB0262C6D0@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local>, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2013, "Kunde, Brian" <brian_ku...@lecotc.com> writes: >As far as the color picture, well, that?s just stupid. Why not ask for >a hologram of the product? A fully working full-size model would be even better. But for some suppliers, that would be too difficult.(;-) >Our DOC is included in our manual and we are not going to add color for >a single picture. > >I?m not sure where we would put a picture anyway. Our DOC is a full >page now. It would most likely have to be very small or on a separate >page. 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