"... as long as the arrangement can be shown not to reduce the emissions measured from the EUT."
Hmm, I wonder how one could do that. Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric -----Original Message----- From: Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:57 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? The 4th paragraph of CISPR 32, Edition 1.0, Article D.1.1 states: "Arrangements such as placing AE below the RGP or placing AE outside the measurement area when it is normally located distant from the EUT may be used to limit the effects of adverse AE emissions or to reduce measurement time, as long as the arrangement can be shown not to reduce the emissions measured from the EUT." Note that this refers to AE that is normally located distant from the EUT. AE that is normally located adjacent to the EUT should be co-located with the EUT. See the 2nd paragraph of D.1.1. I don't see a conflict between CISPR 32 and ANSI C63.4 in this area. Ghery S. Pettit -----Original Message----- From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 5:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? It seems that there is a potential conflict between CISPR 32 and ANSI C63.4 with respect to AE/support equipment. CISPR 32, as I remember, specifically says to minimize the emissions from the AE/support equipment while C63.4 does have the support equipment in the test environment. Ghery Pettit is more qualified to comment, but I believe there is work going on to reconcile the two. Brent DeWitt, AB1LF Milford, MA -----Original Message----- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:20 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Not proffering a solution here, but the amount of traffic on this topic has surprised me. Back in the day when most testing was on an OATS, I would have understood the concerns expressed, but nowadays most testing is performed in a SAC simulating an OATS. With the latter it is simple to use any off-the-shelf device in an external chamber just as the appropriate load interface for the test sample, and provide filtering external to the chamber necessary to clean up any emissions that could pollute the test chamber ambient. With a shielded cable, it might be as simple as running it through a stuffing tube and grounding out the rf current running external to the shield. Or there could be a high quality shielded cable used in the test chamber, which connects to a bulkhead-mounted and grounded adapter, and external to the chamber, the noisy support equipment and any crummy cable can be used. Lots of possible variations, but the point is that with a SAC, we don't have to be near as picky about the support equipment. 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