Great. Now I'm at the liquor store buying some invisibly-flammable coolant at $40(?) a bottle. It looked great on the video though.
Thanks, Kim -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Engvall <[email protected]> >Sent: May 29, 2009 5:28 PM >To: "K.J. Kirwan" <[email protected]>, "Enhanced Machine Controller >(EMC)" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Datron Pulsed Ethanol Mist > >In simple terms "if it is drinkable" then ATF is going to be involved. >The common denaturants like methanol and iso-propanol are >toxic. Can you imagine pyridine as a denaturant. Ugh! All of these >things have exposure levels. >There has not been any mention of flashpoints. Ethanol burns >virtually without a visible flame much like hydrogen. >Your first hint of a flash-off will be something else on fire. >You could use E-85 but the other 15% is gasoline-like. At least that >has enough aromatics to smoke when it burns. ;-) >Unfortunately, there just isn't a free lunch. > >Dave >On May 29, 2009, at 2:00 PM, K.J. Kirwan wrote: > >> I was wondering about the ethanol/alcohol aspect. >> Is there a denaturing agent in it? What, isopropanol? >> Or do they use methanol or something else, maybe? >> Are there separate vapor/VOC problems with those? >> Or if it's "pure", (95%/190 proof?), aren't you up in >> "Everclear" territory, and wouldn't you have to pay >> some kind of whiskey tax or stamp? Is there a license? >> Does the ATF get involved? How does all of that work? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirk Wallace <[email protected]> >>> Sent: May 29, 2009 4:18 PM >>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc- >>> [email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Datron Pulsed Ethanol Mist >>> >>> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 15:42 -0400, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: >>>> Just a word of caution for larger shops considering ethanol. >>>> This material >>>> would be classified as a VOC and using large quantities might ger >>>> you into >>>> trouble with local air pollution authorities (especially >>>> California and on >>>> the east coast). >>>> >>>> On average, using straight ethanol, approximately 270 gallons >>>> (+/-) will >>>> result in roughly 1 ton of emissions. In PA, the local agencies >>>> (especially >>>> near Philly and Pittsburg) start permitting at 2 tons emitted. >>>> >>>> Not trying to be a wet diaper on the idea, just offering a note >>>> of caution. >>>> >>>> Brian Glackin >>> >>> I'm a tree hugger, so I like to know about these things. I wonder if >>> there is a way to recover the vapor, enclose the machine and chill >>> the >>> vent air? Run the vent air through charcoal? >>> -- >>> Kirk Wallace >>> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ >>> http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html >>> California, USA >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------- >>> Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT >>> is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity >>> professionals. Meet >>> the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, >>> Processing, & >>> iPhoneDevCamp as they present alongside digital heavyweights like >>> Barbarian >>> Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://p.sf.net/sfu/creativitycat-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emc-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT >> is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity >> professionals. Meet >> the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & >> iPhoneDevCamp as they present alongside digital heavyweights like >> Barbarian >> Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://p.sf.net/sfu/creativitycat-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Emc-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & iPhoneDevCamp as they present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://p.sf.net/sfu/creativitycat-com _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
