andy pugh wrote:
> On 11 November 2011 09:25, Peter Blodow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>   
>> In Germany (and most european countries, i think), any electrician
>> installing a three phase supply without neutral and protective earth
>> would be kicked out of business by law for life time instantly.
>>     
>
>   
The US has a VARIETY of 3-phase systems.  The 120/208 Wye system is 
intended for
office building and apartment buildings, and you get 208 3-phase for 
larger loads like
elevators and air conditioning, and 120 normal lamps, computers, 
appliances, etc.
A problem is 240 V appliances may not run well on 208.

For shops, industrial buildings and such, they often have 120/208 for 
the office space
and 240 Delta for the shop.  There are 3 ways to do Delta.  There is 
balanced Delta,
where each hot wire has the same voltage to ground.  A neutral is not 
provided by
the mains transformer, as it is a fully-floating Delta winding.  They 
provide a small
balance transformer, and if it draws any significant current it trips 
the whole
transformer off-line with a ground fault indication.  There are two 
OTHER systems
still seen, but generally not installed anymore.  There is 
corner-grounded-delta,
where one of the hots is grounded.  This gives you 240 V between any of the
mains, and is often implemented with only two single phase transformers, 
so it
is often called open delta.  One advantage is you get to use residential 
2-pole
breakers.

Another older system that has an extra advantage is center-grounded-delta,
where one center-tapped residential transformer is used.  This transformer
gives you 120/240 V single phase power for office and computer items.
A second single phase transformer forms an open delta system, for the 
3-phase
loads.  In this system, no phase wire is neutral, and the system is 
unbalanced
relative to ground.  The motors don't care, of course, as long as all 
the hot-hot
voltages are the same.

Our building at work has 408 delta, 240 delta, and 120/208 delta, and the
breaker panels fill an entire wall of the utility room.  (Mostly the 480
breakers, they are really big.)

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