On Saturday 11 August 2012 20:47:27 [email protected] did opine:

> Hi
> In emc2 when loading program, it is hard to delete program out.
> number of program will increase and clog those small place icon that
> shows available programs.
> to delete need --type - in exact -- name of file etc
> Why not to make delete of file --simple -- to final user?
> How -- click on it --and --DELETE.
> Need to remember that final user/users of EMC2 are machinist - and not
> LINUX software Engineer.
> This is one answer why with all good thing EMC2 still has hard time to
> gain trust from final user.
> Thanks
> Aram
> 
Aram, a point needs made here.  And I am going to ramble a bit too to make 
that point.

<ramble>

I am friends with 2 of the local shops, one doing oil & gas well service 
rig design & fabrication to order, the other doing drive shaft maintenance.  
The first has a bridgeport, 3 or 4 lathes, power hacksaws and can weld with 
most anything hotter than a kitchen match, with mig & tig setups plus a 
smith wrench, all at the ready.

The other only has one bit of electronics near his lathes, a drive shaft 
balancing rig.

These guys, neither one, is the least bit interested in doing a thing with 
cnc, because basically both are doing 'one offs'.  Neither think they have 
the time, or the resources, to invest in such a wildcat idea.

If these guys are any indication of what one might call a machinist,  I 
can't say as I've seen either of them do "precise" work from drawings.

In todays world, the true machinist should be familiar enough with gcode to 
do any thing the machine itself is capable of.  He is NOT a machinist in 
the sense that your grandfather might have been, but when he needs 50 
copies of something, the cnc mill with enough accessories to feed it, and 
take its output, will have those 50 copies made while grandpa is just 
getting started on the 3rd tool setup of 10 or more changes by lunch the 
next day, when the cnc guy has those 50 copies in a box ready for ups to 
come and get.

Todays modern machine shop, run by competent people, can out produce the 
best my grandfather could have done by a large margin.

And yet the things I saw him do, on a farm in Madison County Iowa, were 
just as  much magic to me when I was 5 or 6, as some of the stuff we can 
watch on you tube today. except that today I know its not magic, just the 
human demonstrating his intelligence whether its programming a robot to 
carve a toyota engine block, or carving a new Wincharger blade from solid 
oak to replace the one that broke in yesterdays high wind before the 
batteries in the ice house were completely dead.  Yup, grandpa was ahead of 
his time on that farm with a 32 volt battery setup for lights after dark.  
In those days folks who had a washing machine at all, got it from Maytag 
and it had a small 2 stroke engine with a step on lever to start it.  But 
it could kick back and even run backwards.

One of those kickbacks broke grandmothers ankle in about '39 IIRC.  In 
those days it was pretty serious because that put the wife out of work and 
running a farm was a full time job for both.  About 3 days later grandpa 
hitched up the team of horses and loaded up a wagonload of shelled corn and 
took it to town, coming back with a 1/3rd horse electric motor and enough 
heavy cable to reach the machine, and we had the first electric washing 
machine in rural Madison County IA (think Bridges, with Eastwood & steep) 
by almost a decade, no one else had one until the REA came down the road 
with power in '47.  I still have the scars on a finger that the wringer on 
that SOB gave me too.

And that is my point, technology moves on, and those who will not move with 
it, _will_ be left behind.  That choice is theirs.

I think it was Bob Dillon who sang "The times, they are a changin."  and he 
was right.

</ramble>

Cheers, Gene
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Yow!  Am I in Milwaukee?

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