Hi Gene i did not talk about grandpa level of machinist that do manual machining. I am talking about 99% of machinist in CNC machine shop, with 5 to 35 years of experience. Most of them went through many types of CNC machines and many types of CAD CAM. They are a "Final User" of EMC2. They are who will buy and pay $$$ for EMC2. It is not reasonable to tell them -- that " to use EMC2 you also must to learn command line of LINUX" it will not happen ever. result of that: 1. good and capable EMC2 used on few commercial machines (not a hobby) in whole country. Very few commercial shop actually use EMC2.
2. people that know EMC2 can not make $$$ money out of knowledge of EMC2. I am interesting to know who is actually can earn money from implementation of EMC2? If machine shop do not ask and pay for EMC2 than from where $$money will come? EMC2 is in ice age. To change situation need to work on putting EMC2, under more familiar shell of machines shops existing controllers. Machinist does not care what actually run CNC machine. If machine is working and there is more familiar push button, jag wheal, toggle switch, light bulb, manual rotational feed rate switch than existing situation will change and it will be fast. That will benefit machine shop and those that will help machine shop to understand and use EMC2. Help to “Final User” to digest EMC2 is an only way to make money out of EMC2. aram On 2012-08-11 19:46, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 11 August 2012 20:47:27 a...@conceptmachinery.com did opine: > >> Hi >> In emc2 when loading program, it is hard to delete program out. >> number of program will increase and clog those small place icon that >> shows available programs. >> to delete need --type - in exact -- name of file etc >> Why not to make delete of file --simple -- to final user? >> How -- click on it --and --DELETE. >> Need to remember that final user/users of EMC2 are machinist - and >> not >> LINUX software Engineer. >> This is one answer why with all good thing EMC2 still has hard time >> to >> gain trust from final user. >> Thanks >> Aram >> > Aram, a point needs made here. And I am going to ramble a bit too to > make > that point. > > <ramble> > > I am friends with 2 of the local shops, one doing oil & gas well > service > rig design & fabrication to order, the other doing drive shaft > maintenance. > The first has a bridgeport, 3 or 4 lathes, power hacksaws and can > weld with > most anything hotter than a kitchen match, with mig & tig setups plus > a > smith wrench, all at the ready. > > The other only has one bit of electronics near his lathes, a drive > shaft > balancing rig. > > These guys, neither one, is the least bit interested in doing a thing > with > cnc, because basically both are doing 'one offs'. Neither think they > have > the time, or the resources, to invest in such a wildcat idea. > > If these guys are any indication of what one might call a machinist, > I > can't say as I've seen either of them do "precise" work from > drawings. > > In todays world, the true machinist should be familiar enough with > gcode to > do any thing the machine itself is capable of. He is NOT a machinist > in > the sense that your grandfather might have been, but when he needs 50 > copies of something, the cnc mill with enough accessories to feed it, > and > take its output, will have those 50 copies made while grandpa is just > getting started on the 3rd tool setup of 10 or more changes by lunch > the > next day, when the cnc guy has those 50 copies in a box ready for ups > to > come and get. > > Todays modern machine shop, run by competent people, can out produce > the > best my grandfather could have done by a large margin. > > And yet the things I saw him do, on a farm in Madison County Iowa, > were > just as much magic to me when I was 5 or 6, as some of the stuff we > can > watch on you tube today. except that today I know its not magic, just > the > human demonstrating his intelligence whether its programming a robot > to > carve a toyota engine block, or carving a new Wincharger blade from > solid > oak to replace the one that broke in yesterdays high wind before the > batteries in the ice house were completely dead. Yup, grandpa was > ahead of > his time on that farm with a 32 volt battery setup for lights after > dark. > In those days folks who had a washing machine at all, got it from > Maytag > and it had a small 2 stroke engine with a step on lever to start it. > But > it could kick back and even run backwards. > > One of those kickbacks broke grandmothers ankle in about '39 IIRC. > In > those days it was pretty serious because that put the wife out of > work and > running a farm was a full time job for both. About 3 days later > grandpa > hitched up the team of horses and loaded up a wagonload of shelled > corn and > took it to town, coming back with a 1/3rd horse electric motor and > enough > heavy cable to reach the machine, and we had the first electric > washing > machine in rural Madison County IA (think Bridges, with Eastwood & > steep) > by almost a decade, no one else had one until the REA came down the > road > with power in '47. I still have the scars on a finger that the > wringer on > that SOB gave me too. > > And that is my point, technology moves on, and those who will not > move with > it, _will_ be left behind. That choice is theirs. > > I think it was Bob Dillon who sang "The times, they are a changin." > and he > was right. > > </ramble> > > Cheers, Gene > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up! > Yow! 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