On Saturday 15 March 2014 15:57:25 Philipp Burch did opine:

> Hi Gene!
> 
> On 03/14/2014 09:23 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings again;
> > 
> > After putting in a diode, that part seemed to work, but this C41 seems
> > to have gone south again. (and again (and again)), and its looking
> > like a 4th one has failed.  Symptoms seem to be an output impedance
> > in the 100k region, making 375 rpm maximum, and dropping nearly 100
> > rpm when I put a 10 megohm digital meter on its output to measure it,
> > and getting a hair over 5 volts for my trouble, and a fresh LM358 in
> > the output voltage follower stage acts exactly like the one I pulled
> > out thinking it was bad.
> > 
> > So it looks like I need another, but it seems to me there ought to be
> > another choice besides this non-linear POS, and the PMDX-106.  Or, do
> > I fire up eagle & design my own?
> > 
> > The PMDX-106 works great, but its physically too big for the area it
> > needs to fit in by about an inch both ways.
> > 
> > Anybody else got any suggestions?
> > 
> > Thanks guys.
> 
> Do you talk about this unit?
> 
> http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C41R2_USER_MANUAL.pdf

I have the R1 version.
 
> I think it should be fairly easy to reverse-engineer the schematic of
> this little thingy, as there are only through-hole components and (as it
> looks like) just a single copper layer.
I thought I had saved one of the blown ones, which would make it easier to 
see is my mods to that one were less invasive of pcb real estate, but I 
can't find it, so I must have binned it last fall.
 
> But your comment about the LM358 in conjunction with the problem that
> you cannot go below ~200mV output voltage caught my attention: The
> LM358's output stage does not really sink current down to GND, so if the
> input of your following circuit does not have a pull down,

I don't believe it does,

> it is likely
> that this amplifier is the cause of the problem. If so, you could simply
> replace it by a RRIO (rail-to-rail input and output) type, most standard
> opamps are pin compatible. If 16V max. Vcc are enough, the TLV2372 could
> be a suitable replacement. There should be many more to suit your needs,
> a quick parametric search yields at least three parts which should fit
> as well:
> 
> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/amplifiers-linear/operational-amplifier-op-amp
> -products.page#p78=In;Out&p1261max=32;36V;36&p480=2;2&p10max=0.02;100000
> 0&p2954=PDIP

That OPA2241 looks like just the ticket. 3 ea samples ordered. :)

> Cheers,
> Philipp

Thanks for the legwork Philip, your google foo is better than mine as my FF 
is busted & I had to finish the order with chromium.

Cheers, Gene
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