On Tuesday 22 September 2015 09:36:24 Mark Wendt wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> 
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 September 2015 05:46:42 Mark Wendt wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Gregg Eshelman
> >> <g_ala...@yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> > The trick is to achieve transparency of operation so that GCODE
> >> > and commands for start, stop, E-stop etc sent to the LCNC server
> >> > and feedback returned to the client operates seamlessly and
> >> > without interference with the micro-system actually operating the
> >> > CNC machine.
> >>
> >> That.
> >>
> >> That's the biggest concern I have for a heavy machine, spinning
> >> sharp objects, and whoops!  The wireless went down.  Or the wired
> >> switch decided to take a dump.
> >>
> >> Those reasons are why I don't use wireless or bluetooth keyboards,
> >> mice and pendants.  A hard wire connect to a single computer
> >> running the code to me is just the safest way of doing things. 
> >> Drip feed by DNC is okay, that's a horse of a different course.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >
> > And I haven't had a wireless mouse or keyboard that if the batteries
> > were good, did anything but work.  The keyboard in particular is
> > extremely handy without the distance limiting cord, as I can pick it
> > up off its normal resting place about 3 deet from the machine, carry
> > it over and park it on the Y motor when I am setting up for the next
> > operation.
> >
> > >From where I sit at the operating position Z is the only axis I can
> > > see
> >
> > well enough when jogging. So I either need to get a camera, and
> > camview and align setup and calibrated, or go over to the machine
> > with the keyboard.  As for batteries failing, I've not had them fail
> > in anything but the key up position.  Ever.
> >
> > Now, if I could just find a fitted cover for a logitech K360
> > keyboard to keep the swarf and coffee drippings out of it.  I find
> > that even with the square sided keys, swarf can jam it.
> >
> > YMMV of course.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> All it takes is a bit of interference in the band of radios waves
> those devices use.  I still prefer hardwired connections rather than
> trusting radio waves on stuff like that.  Or, as you mentioned, the
> batteries.  It only has to happen once.
>
> Mark

This also is true, but I am not in an industrial environment where such 
interference is at all common.  Whats in the shop or garage is not of 
course semi-shielded by the alu siding on this house and would be 10+ db 
more susceptible.  This is a relatively quiet, 50 yards from the city 
limits residential area, with more electronics here than exists anyplace 
but a fast food place in the whole town, a physical limit enforced by a 
huge to me hill that only small children could negotiate, very thick 
brush, but don't as its also multiflora rose and copperhead country.  So 
here, that interference has not been a problem. I think that isolation 
from technology is without a doubt a good thing for me.

I have no experience in a busy job shop with 5 or more machines in the 
same big room.  In the shop in the back yard, the toy mill and the lathe 
are about 4 feet apart, but the lathe is the only wireless equipt 
machine.  The operating position of the toy mill is actually above the 
right end of its table, so I can see it well while jogging with my right 
hand.  No need for the radios.

In the garage with the GO704, I do need to put up a sheet of lexan to 
deflect airborne swarf between the operating position and the machine as 
it would help keep swarf out of both the keyboard and my coffee cup. :)

OTOH, the spindle motors max at 1 hp here, are the strongest motors 
involved. All could throw a key on startup plenty hard enough to hurt.

Axis motors are more than strong enough to break or crush tools though. I 
sheared a 4 mm capscrew sunday by leaving something on the bellows I had 
added to better shield the Y ball screw from debris, so they are 
certainly capable of crushing a wayward finger.  One of todays projects 
I think along with finding a fly cutter to level the front of that jig 
addition installed yesterday. And I need to make some narrow, say 5" 
wide, binder high pocket shelving additions to the "furniture" for 
holding gcode manuals and printouts of some of the files so I don't 
forget what it was I was doing. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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