On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:29:01 +0000 Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com> said:

all my responses are on the ticket.

> I created a phab ticket for those who are going to tldr:
> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6708
> 
> Please respond and help us address this issue on Phab.  I'm sending the
> mail to bring attention to those who aren't checking phab or didn't get
> tagged in the ticket.
> 
> This is the summary of the issue:
> We constantly get criticized for our less than modern look. I feel as
> though most users could let some of the other inefficiencies and issues go
> if our theme at least looked good. And aesthetically, accessibility, and
> statistically the type of theme that is going to appeal to the most users
> is not going to be a dark theme. We can still have the dark theme as an
> option, but we shouldn't ship it as default, and this include's raster's
> updated theme flat which is basically just a flattened version of dark.
> Look around and literalliy no one ships with a dark theme. Windows, Mac OS,
> Android, Chrome, I OS, Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc..., etc..., etc... there is a
> reason. The out of the box experience should cover the largest base of
> users possible. A dark theme is not going to accomplish that. A dark theme
> is a niche. Cedric has addressed this already with the website and it also
> applies to our default theme. Both need to be redone and really there
> should be an emphasis on this theming over development at this point
> because it is the appearance that is costing us users not functionality. I
> see it every day in online forums, chats, irc, blogs about E, etc...,
> etc..., etc... We REALLY need to prioritize this and theme, and do it the
> right way. Google material design has been suggested by many as what we
> should do. I'm not sure. Cedric's push to work on our appearance was not
> met well or accepted among our developers, but simply this has to change.
> It is killing us. I've attached an IRC discussion in #edevelop from several
> developers about this theming. I wanted to put it here on Phab and allow us
> to all have a discussion to work this out. This really is a serious issue
> and I hope this is addressed and not just blown off for personal
> preferences or lack of passion about doing a theme. Seriously do some
> research and contribute this discussion unbiasedly.
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