On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:41:44 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
<barbi...@gmail.com> said:
> I'd also add another bit to this:
>
> - spacing
>
> E themes are very constrained, everything is tight, fonts are small by
> default... okay, this used to help when we used 640x480 desktops, but
> nowadays there is plenty of space and a bit more of padding around
> elements (ie: menu) and larger fonts by default wouldn't hurt...
that's what size classes are for. like color and text - to modify a spacing or
size value... then you can just have controls for the user to decide and have a
default. like scaling addresses font sizes then "for everyone" as well as icon
sizes...
btw. have you tried gtk's scaling? it's not exactly brilliant. it only does full
multiples. 1, 2, 3, 4 etc. ... so u have a 10" 1920x1080 display and you want
1.5: too bad. you can adjust the FONT sizes then to "1.5" (e.g 15 instead
of 10), but icons remain small, so i think our simple scale factor that allows
non-integer multiples works very well. one of my laptops does use 1.5 scaling.
by the same token size classes can solve padding to allow spaciness or
compactness depending on what people like. i think size classes are going to be
simpler than color or text - closer to scaling - maybe only 1 or a very few
size classes ("inner spacing", outer spacing", "generic spacing" for example).
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:29 PM, Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I created a phab ticket for those who are going to tldr:
> > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6708
> >
> > Please respond and help us address this issue on Phab. I'm sending the
> > mail to bring attention to those who aren't checking phab or didn't get
> > tagged in the ticket.
> >
> > This is the summary of the issue:
> > We constantly get criticized for our less than modern look. I feel as
> > though most users could let some of the other inefficiencies and issues go
> > if our theme at least looked good. And aesthetically, accessibility, and
> > statistically the type of theme that is going to appeal to the most users
> > is not going to be a dark theme. We can still have the dark theme as an
> > option, but we shouldn't ship it as default, and this include's raster's
> > updated theme flat which is basically just a flattened version of dark.
> > Look around and literalliy no one ships with a dark theme. Windows, Mac OS,
> > Android, Chrome, I OS, Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc..., etc..., etc... there is a
> > reason. The out of the box experience should cover the largest base of
> > users possible. A dark theme is not going to accomplish that. A dark theme
> > is a niche. Cedric has addressed this already with the website and it also
> > applies to our default theme. Both need to be redone and really there
> > should be an emphasis on this theming over development at this point
> > because it is the appearance that is costing us users not functionality. I
> > see it every day in online forums, chats, irc, blogs about E, etc...,
> > etc..., etc... We REALLY need to prioritize this and theme, and do it the
> > right way. Google material design has been suggested by many as what we
> > should do. I'm not sure. Cedric's push to work on our appearance was not
> > met well or accepted among our developers, but simply this has to change.
> > It is killing us. I've attached an IRC discussion in #edevelop from several
> > developers about this theming. I wanted to put it here on Phab and allow us
> > to all have a discussion to work this out. This really is a serious issue
> > and I hope this is addressed and not just blown off for personal
> > preferences or lack of passion about doing a theme. Seriously do some
> > research and contribute this discussion unbiasedly.
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