On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:37:58 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
<wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> said:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:54:23 +0000
> Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > None of which are default, as I said. Open windows explorer. Is it
> > dark? Open finder is it dark? Dark bars And titlebars don't mean it's
> > a dark theme. As I said. Defaults are always light.
> 
> That is the default windows 10, and a screenshot of the next release of
> OS X. Those are defaults. The are moving more things to dark, that were
> light in the past.
> 
> What color were the start/title bars before? Light or dark? Which
> direction is that going? Is that a trend moving towards light or dark?
> 
> This is not light
> https://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/
> 
> Or Cinnamon/Linux Mint
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint
> 
> Matte and Cinamon would be interesting as its basically the same Mint,
> difference being light and dark.
> 
> For those that voted for KDE, the majority voted dark.
> http://www.strawpoll.me/12804942/r
> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/66yznn/poll_dark_themes_vs_light_themes_kde_plasma/?st=jdt8a686&sh=535dd9f5

now that is very interesting. a direct poll from more than a handful of people
(235 votes cast total) shows 71% in favor of dark. and that's not even like
asking existing e users who might have chosen e because it's dark by default...

so at least i think that pretty much tells me that "Dark by default" at least
is a good choice. 71% are happy. the other 29% are not. that is why we should
offer color schemes (color classes) so you can make the other 29% happy too.
that increases the # of people who are happy by 50% or so.

> I think this helps really solidify the trend. Black uses less power
> than white. Dark themes can have better battery life.
> https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1882467

Actually... only on OLED screens... just to be exact. lcd panels which is
basically pretty much every monitor, laptop etc. ... won't matter. yes a few
laptops have oled. you can get oled tv's now but its far from the majority of
screens an e desktop runs on that would use the default theme. :)

> Very likely manufactures are catching on. Better for battery life,
> better for your eyes. Better all around.
> 
> If you think a theme is why people do not run E. I think you are pretty
> far off base there.  It is a lack of applications more than anything.

i think despite our differences, you are probably right here, mostly. i think
e's old-style beveled/gradient theme does put a bunch of people off. i don't
think the dark color does though. if more apps existed that "fit in and
work/look nice" then indeed it'd get more users. e can be improved in usability
for sure as well - settings dialogs for starters, and i suspect this may have
about as much effect on users as the theme currently does... just saying it's
important.

but improving the theme to be simpler to maintain, re-color and be flatter is a
big improvement we should do. i think giving it out-sized results from doing
this, or even becoming "light" will just be kidding ourselves.

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