On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:23:17 -0500 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
mej is right - autopoint is FUCKED. the fact that it executes cvs alone makes it a horrid horrid horrid hack. this requires that to work right you need to be online to rebuild your build files. sorry - developers come first. users are a distant second when it comes to autofoo. if it works for devs - then it's good. if it doesn't work for users because they updated their autofoo packages... TOO BAD. autofoo is for developers. using cvs basically gives you the responsibility of a developer when it comes to running autofoo tools. developers job it sot produce a source tarball - that is the final product for "consumers" (users). autofoo is used to create that tarball. it is not used again after that point. > On Wednesday, 14 February 2007, at 01:18:46 (+0100), > Kim Woelders wrote: > > > I still don't quite get all the opposition against autopoint (except > > the stupid requirement that the cvs program must be available). In > > my opinion automake-1.10 is not broken but people here insist on > > pissing against the wind and refuse to set up configuration stuff as > > it is supposed to be, and then blame the autotools that they don't > > work (/me ducks). > > Okay, please point out how the "configuration stuff" "is supposed to > be" to avoid trying to invoke the cvs command. > > > The e17/apps/e autogen.sh has used autopoint for months now, and my > > impression is that the noise level from people with autotool issues > > in this module has decreased considerably since then. > > raster disabled it on November 2nd. You sneakily (as sneakily as one > can with CVS...but it snuck past me...) re-enabled it on November > 3rd. The "lack of noise" probably has a lot more to do with those for > whom it doesn't work resigning themselves to just dealing with it, > like devilhorns. > > > Anyway, I think adding autopoint to autogen.sh is only part of the > > solution if you go down that path. There seem to be quite a few > > other fixups required, like po/Makefile->po/Makefile.in in > > configure.in, remove po/Makefile.am, add po/Makevars and > > po/POTFILES.in, order of autoconf and autoheader in autogen.sh, and > > more. > > While automake 1.10 may or may not be broken, gettext clearly is. Had > we devoted the same amount of time to developing a new, better i18n > solution (i.e., one that behaves reasonably rather than like an > autistic cross-eyed gerbil on a caffeine high) that we've spent trying > to get each new version of the autoFUCK tools to work properly, we > wouldn't need gettext any more. > > gettext should be smart enough to work properly, and automake should > be smart enough to know that gettext is more broke than MC Hammer's > fashion coordinator and that workarounds, not fatal errors, are the > proper course of action. > > > In case anybody bothers to persue this I have attached a patch for > > the alarm module, which passes make distcheck with automake-1.9.6 as > > well as automake-1.10 (a few bits in the patch are not related to > > gettext but required just to pass distcheck). I'm not saying this is > > the One and Only way to do this but only that this patch works for > > me. > > Let's see if it works for devilhorns. And I'll try it with automake > 1.8. > > > No worries - I have absolutely no intention to commit this in fear of > > what might happen to my reproductive powers. > > Good boy. Don't think I can't find my way to West Kwoville, Denmark. > :-) > > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Define irony. 'A bunch of idiots dancing on a plane to a song made > famous by a band that died in a plane crash.'" > -- Garland Greene (Steve Buscemi), "Con-Air" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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