On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:45:11 +0100 Kim Woelders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> Michael Jennings wrote: > > On Wednesday, 14 February 2007, at 01:18:46 (+0100), > > Kim Woelders wrote: > > > >> I still don't quite get all the opposition against autopoint (except > >> the stupid requirement that the cvs program must be available). In > >> my opinion automake-1.10 is not broken but people here insist on > >> pissing against the wind and refuse to set up configuration stuff as > >> it is supposed to be, and then blame the autotools that they don't > >> work (/me ducks). > > > > Okay, please point out how the "configuration stuff" "is supposed to > > be" to avoid trying to invoke the cvs command. > > > It is not possible to avoid using "cvs" from autopoint. > The gettext source files are stored in a tar'ed CVS archive > (/usr/share/gettext/archive.tar.gz on my box), and autopoint > extracts the revision given in e.g. AM_GNU_GETTEXT_VERSION([0.12.1]) > from this CVS archive. > This seems to me to be a reasonable way to provide a given gettext > version specified in configure.in. > Now if cvs was used to acces some remote CVS server that would > be bad, but it isn't. > Sure, it requires the cvs program to be available on a developer > platform. So what? > > >> The e17/apps/e autogen.sh has used autopoint for months now, and my > >> impression is that the noise level from people with autotool issues > >> in this module has decreased considerably since then. > > > > raster disabled it on November 2nd. You sneakily (as sneakily as one > > can with CVS...but it snuck past me...) re-enabled it on November > > 3rd. The "lack of noise" probably has a lot more to do with those for > > whom it doesn't work resigning themselves to just dealing with it, > > like devilhorns. > > > Yeah, I'm a sneaky bastard. I even sent a stealth message to the > e-devel list about it to make sure nobody noticed: > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37464062 > my devious plan failed and somebody who was obviously impersonating > you responded: > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37464063 > > Well, I was trying to deal with the problem (I assume we agree > there is one) by attempting to find a solution that doesn't > involve requiring specific autotool versions or doing private > config file hacks. That does not seem to have succeeded, not for > everybody, anyway. > > If using cvs as a versioned (local file) archive extractor is banned > so is using autopoint, and we are as far as I am concerned at a dead > end. > > If we do accept to use autopoint after all I'd be willing to > spend some more time to try and get things right on other > platforms than mine (x86, fc6/fc~7). > To do this it would be helpful to know what happens when things > go bad (other than "massive build failure") and which distro/ > platform we are talking about. the real problem is introducing cvs as a build and rebuild dep (which it never was before - cvs was entirely divorced and separate from build file creation - which allowed us to divorce CMS from coding if we ever wanted to). sure it'd need the cvs command - but it's sneaking in. it feels very unclean to me. i see the logic of using cvs as a compression scheme for multiple versions of gettext, but where autofoo used to be basic unix utils + m4 now is stealing away with cvs too. we are forever changing out autofoo - mostly for the next user X who uses gentoo or some bleeding edge distro who updates to latest bleeding edge autofoo X and breaks something. > >> Anyway, I think adding autopoint to autogen.sh is only part of the > >> solution if you go down that path. There seem to be quite a few > >> other fixups required, like po/Makefile->po/Makefile.in in > >> configure.in, remove po/Makefile.am, add po/Makevars and > >> po/POTFILES.in, order of autoconf and autoheader in autogen.sh, and > >> more. > > > > While automake 1.10 may or may not be broken, gettext clearly is. Had > > we devoted the same amount of time to developing a new, better i18n > > solution (i.e., one that behaves reasonably rather than like an > > autistic cross-eyed gerbil on a caffeine high) that we've spent trying > > to get each new version of the autoFUCK tools to work properly, we > > wouldn't need gettext any more. > > > > gettext should be smart enough to work properly, and automake should > > be smart enough to know that gettext is more broke than MC Hammer's > > fashion coordinator and that workarounds, not fatal errors, are the > > proper course of action. > > > >> In case anybody bothers to persue this I have attached a patch for > >> the alarm module, which passes make distcheck with automake-1.9.6 as > >> well as automake-1.10 (a few bits in the patch are not related to > >> gettext but required just to pass distcheck). I'm not saying this is > >> the One and Only way to do this but only that this patch works for > >> me. > > > > Let's see if it works for devilhorns. And I'll try it with automake > > 1.8. > > > >> No worries - I have absolutely no intention to commit this in fear of > >> what might happen to my reproductive powers. > > > > Good boy. Don't think I can't find my way to West Kwoville, Denmark. > > :-) > > > > Michael > > > /Kim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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