On Fri, 03 May 2013 16:33:08 +0100 Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com> said:
> On 03/05/13 16:03, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > >>> It is not about generating code, people just don't get it > >> > >> For people to get it, we need many things to improve the situation in > >> Elev8. We need to polish its introduction in Enlightenment and provide > >> an easy way to distribute gadget/apps. Along with some documentation > >> that would help spread it and show case what it is good for. > >> In my opinion JS is not a tool good for everything. Any application > >> that require a team to maintain it over time with a more than 1000 > >> lines of code is going to suffer with it. Hopefully that still leave a > >> lot of application possible. I am thinking about all the configuration > >> tools here : connman, cups, transmission, ... It should also be good > >> for webservice integration like reddit and friends. And finally it > >> should be good for casual game to. We should be able to code elemines > >> or efbb more easily in Elev8 (We need an easy-game helper maybe :-)). > >> But JS wont be good for an integrated communication suite, an IDE, a > >> web browser, ... So we need tool to help the development of both side. > >> In the JS/EasyUI world, it is mostly integration with E and > >> distribution of application. In C, it is more an IDE that we need. > >> Both work are orthogonal in my opinion. > >> > > > > This is complete nonsense. With JS you can modularize as well as in C, > > actually the language constructs makes it easier to modularize. > > > > The performance of a hundred thousand lines of code with JS is not an > > issue, as the sensitive areas are basically done in C (with elev8/efl), > > also the V8 can optimize quite well some loops and access, thus moot point. > > Moreover, from the hundred thousand lines case, you're often executing > > small parts of it at the same time, afterall you can't fit much in one user > > screen. > > > > As for your points "JS won't be good", let's review it with reality: > > - communication suite: the best communication suite out there is written > > in HTML5 + JS, it is called Gmail + Gtalk > > - an IDE: adobe and others disagree, http://brackets.io/ is fully JS and > > HTML5. Let's not forget that we both use Emacs, that is written mostly in > > Elisp, that is far from being as optimized as JS nowadays; > > - web browser: the browser itself is a very thin layer, I can't see why > > a browser chrome couldn't be written in JS.. the heavy work is all in > > WebKit/Blink, you just need to get some signals and update the title, > > progress... > > > > I just don't understand why people don't understand. Also I don't > > understand why I still bother to write this stuff. > > I understand! > > But the problem is that there are no decent examples for what you are > describing, not for the efl anyway. > > I've said it before, had you written econnman in elev8, everyone would > have been able to see the benefits. > > Just write a nice, modular, simple example that people can base their > work on. The problem is the lack of "skeleton" code. Or at least, that's > the way I see it. i don't think this is the problem... i couldn't implement efbb in elev8 right now. we need to expand elev8's api (i take back there being no timer - i found it. it wasnt in the elm module but in core). one big thing that could help is using elev8 for e's config. that's a start. we can use it for a bunch of simple/dinky apps. but asking people already invested in using native code and api's to drop massive amounts of functionality just to use elev8 is not going to win friends. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
