On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com>wrote:
> On 03/05/13 16:03, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: >>> >>>> It is not about generating code, people just don't get it >>>> >>> >>> For people to get it, we need many things to improve the situation in >>> Elev8. We need to polish its introduction in Enlightenment and provide >>> an easy way to distribute gadget/apps. Along with some documentation >>> that would help spread it and show case what it is good for. >>> In my opinion JS is not a tool good for everything. Any application >>> that require a team to maintain it over time with a more than 1000 >>> lines of code is going to suffer with it. Hopefully that still leave a >>> lot of application possible. I am thinking about all the configuration >>> tools here : connman, cups, transmission, ... It should also be good >>> for webservice integration like reddit and friends. And finally it >>> should be good for casual game to. We should be able to code elemines >>> or efbb more easily in Elev8 (We need an easy-game helper maybe :-)). >>> But JS wont be good for an integrated communication suite, an IDE, a >>> web browser, ... So we need tool to help the development of both side. >>> In the JS/EasyUI world, it is mostly integration with E and >>> distribution of application. In C, it is more an IDE that we need. >>> Both work are orthogonal in my opinion. >>> >>> >> This is complete nonsense. With JS you can modularize as well as in C, >> actually the language constructs makes it easier to modularize. >> >> The performance of a hundred thousand lines of code with JS is not an >> issue, as the sensitive areas are basically done in C (with elev8/efl), >> also the V8 can optimize quite well some loops and access, thus moot >> point. >> Moreover, from the hundred thousand lines case, you're often executing >> small parts of it at the same time, afterall you can't fit much in one >> user >> screen. >> >> As for your points "JS won't be good", let's review it with reality: >> - communication suite: the best communication suite out there is >> written >> in HTML5 + JS, it is called Gmail + Gtalk >> - an IDE: adobe and others disagree, http://brackets.io/ is fully JS >> and >> HTML5. Let's not forget that we both use Emacs, that is written mostly in >> Elisp, that is far from being as optimized as JS nowadays; >> - web browser: the browser itself is a very thin layer, I can't see >> why >> a browser chrome couldn't be written in JS.. the heavy work is all in >> WebKit/Blink, you just need to get some signals and update the title, >> progress... >> >> I just don't understand why people don't understand. Also I don't >> understand why I still bother to write this stuff. >> > > I understand! > > But the problem is that there are no decent examples for what you are > describing, not for the efl anyway. > > I've said it before, had you written econnman in elev8, everyone would > have been able to see the benefits. > > Just write a nice, modular, simple example that people can base their work > on. The problem is the lack of "skeleton" code. Or at least, that's the way > I see it. http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/PROTO/easyui/easy-connman.js what's up with that? -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
