On 03/05/13 16:42, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 03 May 2013 16:33:08 +0100 Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com> said: > >> On 03/05/13 16:03, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >>>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: >>>>> It is not about generating code, people just don't get it >>>> >>>> For people to get it, we need many things to improve the situation in >>>> Elev8. We need to polish its introduction in Enlightenment and provide >>>> an easy way to distribute gadget/apps. Along with some documentation >>>> that would help spread it and show case what it is good for. >>>> In my opinion JS is not a tool good for everything. Any application >>>> that require a team to maintain it over time with a more than 1000 >>>> lines of code is going to suffer with it. Hopefully that still leave a >>>> lot of application possible. I am thinking about all the configuration >>>> tools here : connman, cups, transmission, ... It should also be good >>>> for webservice integration like reddit and friends. And finally it >>>> should be good for casual game to. We should be able to code elemines >>>> or efbb more easily in Elev8 (We need an easy-game helper maybe :-)). >>>> But JS wont be good for an integrated communication suite, an IDE, a >>>> web browser, ... So we need tool to help the development of both side. >>>> In the JS/EasyUI world, it is mostly integration with E and >>>> distribution of application. In C, it is more an IDE that we need. >>>> Both work are orthogonal in my opinion. >>>> >>> >>> This is complete nonsense. With JS you can modularize as well as in C, >>> actually the language constructs makes it easier to modularize. >>> >>> The performance of a hundred thousand lines of code with JS is not an >>> issue, as the sensitive areas are basically done in C (with elev8/efl), >>> also the V8 can optimize quite well some loops and access, thus moot point. >>> Moreover, from the hundred thousand lines case, you're often executing >>> small parts of it at the same time, afterall you can't fit much in one user >>> screen. >>> >>> As for your points "JS won't be good", let's review it with reality: >>> - communication suite: the best communication suite out there is >>> written >>> in HTML5 + JS, it is called Gmail + Gtalk >>> - an IDE: adobe and others disagree, http://brackets.io/ is fully JS >>> and >>> HTML5. Let's not forget that we both use Emacs, that is written mostly in >>> Elisp, that is far from being as optimized as JS nowadays; >>> - web browser: the browser itself is a very thin layer, I can't see why >>> a browser chrome couldn't be written in JS.. the heavy work is all in >>> WebKit/Blink, you just need to get some signals and update the title, >>> progress... >>> >>> I just don't understand why people don't understand. Also I don't >>> understand why I still bother to write this stuff. >> >> I understand! >> >> But the problem is that there are no decent examples for what you are >> describing, not for the efl anyway. >> >> I've said it before, had you written econnman in elev8, everyone would >> have been able to see the benefits. >> >> Just write a nice, modular, simple example that people can base their >> work on. The problem is the lack of "skeleton" code. Or at least, that's >> the way I see it. > > i don't think this is the problem... i couldn't implement efbb in elev8 right > now. we need to expand elev8's api (i take back there being no timer - i found > it. it wasnt in the elm module but in core). > > one big thing that could help is using elev8 for e's config. that's a start. > we > can use it for a bunch of simple/dinky apps. but asking people already > invested > in using native code and api's to drop massive amounts of functionality just > to > use elev8 is not going to win friends. :) >
Maybe it's not *the* problem, but I do think it's somewhere on the top of the list. Yes, writing the configs for e would be awesome. Is elev8 a library already? -- Tom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
