On 03/05/13 17:35, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com > <mailto:tom.haco...@samsung.com>> wrote: > > On 03/05/13 16:03, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr > <mailto:cedric.b...@free.fr>> wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@profusion.mobi <mailto:barbi...@profusion.mobi>> > wrote: > > It is not about generating code, people just don't get it > > > For people to get it, we need many things to improve the > situation in > Elev8. We need to polish its introduction in Enlightenment > and provide > an easy way to distribute gadget/apps. Along with some > documentation > that would help spread it and show case what it is good for. > In my opinion JS is not a tool good for everything. Any > application > that require a team to maintain it over time with a more > than 1000 > lines of code is going to suffer with it. Hopefully that > still leave a > lot of application possible. I am thinking about all the > configuration > tools here : connman, cups, transmission, ... It should also > be good > for webservice integration like reddit and friends. And > finally it > should be good for casual game to. We should be able to code > elemines > or efbb more easily in Elev8 (We need an easy-game helper > maybe :-)). > But JS wont be good for an integrated communication > suite, an IDE, a > web browser, ... So we need tool to help the development of > both side. > In the JS/EasyUI world, it is mostly integration with E and > distribution of application. In C, it is more an IDE that we > need. > Both work are orthogonal in my opinion. > > > This is complete nonsense. With JS you can modularize as well as > in C, > actually the language constructs makes it easier to modularize. > > The performance of a hundred thousand lines of code with JS is > not an > issue, as the sensitive areas are basically done in C (with > elev8/efl), > also the V8 can optimize quite well some loops and access, thus > moot point. > Moreover, from the hundred thousand lines case, you're often > executing > small parts of it at the same time, afterall you can't fit much > in one user > screen. > > As for your points "JS won't be good", let's review it with reality: > - communication suite: the best communication suite out > there is written > in HTML5 + JS, it is called Gmail + Gtalk > - an IDE: adobe and others disagree, http://brackets.io/ is > fully JS and > HTML5. Let's not forget that we both use Emacs, that is written > mostly in > Elisp, that is far from being as optimized as JS nowadays; > - web browser: the browser itself is a very thin layer, I > can't see why > a browser chrome couldn't be written in JS.. the heavy work is > all in > WebKit/Blink, you just need to get some signals and update the > title, > progress... > > I just don't understand why people don't understand. Also I don't > understand why I still bother to write this stuff. > > > I understand! > > But the problem is that there are no decent examples for what you > are describing, not for the efl anyway. > > I've said it before, had you written econnman in elev8, everyone > would have been able to see the benefits. > > Just write a nice, modular, simple example that people can base > their work on. The problem is the lack of "skeleton" code. Or at > least, that's the way I see it. > > > http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/PROTO/easyui/easy-connman.js > > what's up with that?
Was kept a highly guarded secret? First time I'm seeing that. Anyhow though, it's not an example of a nicely split project, but it is something I'll start on using, and we should consider putting into e. -- Tom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
