We have an outfit called UKIP (UK Independence Party) under-cutting
the Tory vote - they have a couple of EU MPs - odd with a policy of
exit from EU but down to proportional representation for that body.
They don't get enough votes to get anyone in Westminster - but
probably take 15% natural Tory support.  We have our own Nazis - the
BNP - sometimes taking 9%.  Hence the Tory referendum ploy.  Mass
politics here is a dumb as in the US - though we haven't thrown up
anything as bad as that basketball player shagger from your frozen
North yet.  Our closest is Nick Griffin (BNP leader) - he'd be a real
problem if as pretty as Palin - but looks like a squit-eyed pig after
failed botox applications.

We should be in the EU - tough much of it is farcical.  The Parliament
sits in Brussels and Strasbourg (for a month) and various Mafia steal
funding - the whole shebang ain't democratic - and we need a modern,
electronic Parliament and a federal structure.


On Jan 29, 6:59 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm not up on European (and British) politics....at your level. It appears
> to me that "big" ventures require "big" wallets, both at the private or the
> public levels. Smaller or less developed countries and economies just
> cannot do the "big-ticket" items... the big factories or the big research
> ventures....I cannot see an "isolationist" Britain "going it alone" in this
> day and age. In this sense, the Tories' vision is anachronistic, to say the
> least, (it appears to me) it cannot "work"...
>
> The key issue is immigration in this fantasy and
> stopping the Eastern and Southern Europeans 'taking our houses and
> jobs'.  / Archytas
>
> Ah yes.....Racism and bigotry is "always" the Right-wingers' preferred
> "ally".....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:09:56 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>
> > Sadly some think the EU is important.  The ruse has given the Tories a
> > lead in the polls as most Brits think of the EU as a bureaucratic
> > monster.  I'd have thrown in with the US as the next five states long
> > ago - but we are in decline and have little clue why.  US/EU
> > membership isn't really important - we should have moved more global
> > in politics and less so in production and cheap energy grabbing long
> > ago.  The structural problems in our economies can't be addressed
> > sensibly at the moment because of the money focus.  With no focus on
> > reality we look to the pool of ignorance to maintain government - the
> > EU is irrelevant to anything other than maintaining the Tories on the
> > basis of an isolationist UK - presumably as the offshore hub on money
> > dodging EU taxation.  The key issue is immigration in this fantasy and
> > stopping the Eastern and Southern Europeans 'taking our houses and
> > jobs'.
>
> > On Jan 25, 3:59 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21158318
>
> > > Sounds to me that it "might" be time  for Britain to show some
> > "Righteous
> > > Indignation" and "break" Cameron and the Tories' government..... HAR...
> > > Instead?

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