I don't see an economic answer Nom. There are things we could do but I think that would entail writing a new morality into our societies concerning 'dirty hands' excuses. Walmart hasn't done well in Germany.
On Feb 4, 4:54 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The problem has been allowing global arbitrage on wages and > job conditions. / Archytas > > That (your identification of the problem) makes a lot of sense to me, even > from my very limited knowledge standpoint.... Trading partners and trading > treaties.... Here in the U.S. there have been decades of "Free Trade" > agreements that have laid waste to large sectors of the U.S. manufacturing > and even agricultural bases of the economy. I thought for a long while that > the E.U. served as a better buffer against this, and perhaps it was > (requiring similar labor laws for E.U. member nations and the like).... but > the E.U. seems to be suffering something of the same fate as the U.S. > concerning foreign trade contracts... with non-E.U. countries that produce > "things" for less.... Tariffs against foreign goods seem to be discouraged > nowadays.What do you think about the notion of some sort of "corporate > citizenship".....whereby any and all business entities that operate > economically in a nation (or group of nations like the E.U. ) should be > required to produce the main part of the products the businesses sell in > that county (or countries).... in-house.... Simplistic (?), but that was > (used to be ) the general notion, I think. The same should extend to > "intellectual property".... patents and the like... I would think... In the > U.S.we have a "department store chain" called Walmart that specializes in > inexpensive products from foreign countries.... I just did a quick check > and noticed that it went to Britain, too (ASDA?)....there's one of the > "culprits".... It should have been "tariffed out" by the E.U.... while you > had the chance...... In the U.S., we got suckered in and have been > junkieing out on that crack (drug reference) for ages.... > > http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/our-stores/united-kingdom-stores > > I found these web sites...... haven't looked into it much..... (numbers... > frightening....HAR) > But then.... even bringing up the notion of re-establishing > Tariffs.....could get someone shot, these days......go figure.... > > http://www.intracen.org/World-tariff-profiles/http://www.wto.org/english/res_e/booksp_e/tariff_profiles09_e.pdf > > Your much appreciated in-depth article on the economic picture is something > I want to think more about before I attempt any opinions......or > comments......The whole area of banking and investment leveraging and > "bubbles" is the real culprit... I agree....and it appears that there is > NOT much stomach to tackle it.... anywhere.... > > > > > > > > On Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:58:24 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > > We really only have two main parties Nom - Labour and Conservative. > > The Greens, UKIP and BNP are largely irrelevant because we don't have > > PR and the Liberal Democrats don't usually play much of a role but > > poll about 8 - 15 %. They are currently part of a coalition with the > > Tories. I guess most of us feel all this has proved is that people > > who seemed decent when not really in the contest are total shits once > > in government. > > I agree your economic summary. On those of us not rich, I'd point to > > the fact that the bottom 50% had 14% of liquid assets around 1980 and > > that's down to 1% - if we don't scrap the financial system this won't > > improve. The problem has been allowing global arbitrage on wages and > > job conditions. > > > On Feb 2, 5:44 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > filibuster for the Senate... house has Republican majority....just to > > set > > > the record straight.... writing lapse... > > > > On Friday, February 1, 2013 1:05:36 PM UTC-5, nominal9 wrote: > > > > > Parliamentary govt. has its pros and cons.....What I like is your > > > > multitude of political parties, as compared to the U.S...... here > > there are > > > > two with maybe a handful of registered "independents" at the U.S. > > federal > > > > level... one thing about a multitude of parties is that it tends to > > isolate > > > > the radical fringes... and cooperation at the middle seems facilitated > > > > (what do you think?).... here, the right-wing Republicans (by > > filibuster) > > > > have been stymieing legislation in the U.S. House for the whole period > > of > > > > the Obama administration..... > > > > Palin is pretty much on the outs... she even lost her TV contract with > > Fox > > > > News media... I do not wish her ill, but I think her political days > > are > > > > over. > > > > You know... speaking of Fox (Rupert Murdoch owned, I think you know), > > > > there's one economics news personality named "Stuart Varney"... > > British > > > > fellow... did he do much in England?... he's quite the "tool" over > > here.... > > > > makes me chuckle with the propaganda and inanities he puts out.... but > > his > > > > English accent and delivery re quite "convincing"... there are quite a > > few > > > > British TV personalities, especially on cable TV channels.... the > > > > accent.... it's worth (must be) 50% toward getting hired on, here , > > I'd say > > > > HAR. > > > > Economy is on everyone's mind... as it should be.... Unemployment rate > > > > this month ticked up one decimal point to 7.9%. But today the Stock > > Market > > > > index (Dow) is hovering around 14000, hasn't been there since 2007. > > So, > > > > here at least.... the fat cats are getting fatter (they were fed > > plenty by > > > > the Govt bailouts) but the rest of the peons are > > struggling.....Capitalist > > > > economic growth model theories would seem to suggest that those > > without are > > > > pretty much out of the recovery, for a generation at least.... What > > does > > > > your expertise suggest, Archytas? > > > > Britain, I hear, has not seen any appreciable recovery in the > > > > "markets".... am I correct in this? > > > > >http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/25/1494541/austerity-pushes-... > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/31/us-funds-poll-britain-idUSB... > > > > > Austerity... is that the cause?..... or is it something systemic or > > > > institutional with the banks and banksters (as you call them).... are > > they > > > > still hemorrhaging money?.... or hoarding it?.... which could cause > > the > > > > same effect? > > > > I'm the novice.... how do you see it? > > > > > On Friday, February 1, 2013 8:23:59 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > > > >> We have an outfit called UKIP (UK Independence Party) under-cutting > > > >> the Tory vote - they have a couple of EU MPs - odd with a policy of > > > >> exit from EU but down to proportional representation for that body. > > > >> They don't get enough votes to get anyone in Westminster - but > > > >> probably take 15% natural Tory support. We have our own Nazis - the > > > >> BNP - sometimes taking 9%. Hence the Tory referendum ploy. Mass > > > >> politics here is a dumb as in the US - though we haven't thrown up > > > >> anything as bad as that basketball player shagger from your frozen > > > >> North yet. Our closest is Nick Griffin (BNP leader) - he'd be a real > > > >> problem if as pretty as Palin - but looks like a squit-eyed pig after > > > >> failed botox applications. > > > > >> We should be in the EU - tough much of it is farcical. The > > Parliament > > > >> sits in Brussels and Strasbourg (for a month) and various Mafia steal > > > >> funding - the whole shebang ain't democratic - and we need a modern, > > > >> electronic Parliament and a federal structure. > > > > >> On Jan 29, 6:59 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > I'm not up on European (and British) politics....at your level. It > > > >> appears > > > >> > to me that "big" ventures require "big" wallets, both at the > > private or > > > >> the > > > >> > public levels. Smaller or less developed countries and economies > > just > > > >> > cannot do the "big-ticket" items... the big factories or the big > > > >> research > > > >> > ventures....I cannot see an "isolationist" Britain "going it alone" > > in > > > >> this > > > >> > day and age. In this sense, the Tories' vision is anachronistic, to > > say > > > >> the > > > >> > least, (it appears to me) it cannot "work"... > > > > >> > The key issue is immigration in this fantasy and > > > >> > stopping the Eastern and Southern Europeans 'taking our houses and > > > >> > jobs'. / Archytas > > > > >> > Ah yes.....Racism and bigotry is "always" the Right-wingers' > > preferred > > > >> > "ally"..... > > > > >> > On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:09:56 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > > > >> > > Sadly some think the EU is important. The ruse has given the > > Tories > > > >> a > > > >> > > lead in the polls as most Brits think of the EU as a bureaucratic > > > >> > > monster. I'd have thrown in with the US as the next five states > > long > > > >> > > ago - but we are in decline and have little clue why. US/EU > > > >> > > membership isn't really important - we should have moved more > > global > > > >> > > in politics and less so in production and cheap energy grabbing > > long > > > >> > > ago. The structural problems in our economies can't be addressed > > > >> > > sensibly at the moment because of the money focus. With no focus > > on > > > >> > > reality we look to the pool of ignorance to maintain government - > > the > > > >> > > EU is irrelevant to anything other than maintaining the Tories on > > the > > > >> > > basis of an isolationist UK - presumably as the offshore hub on > > money > > > >> > > dodging EU taxation. The key issue is immigration in this > > fantasy > > > >> and > > > >> > > stopping the Eastern and Southern Europeans 'taking our houses > > and > > > >> > > jobs'. > > > > >> > > On Jan 25, 3:59 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21158318 > > > > >> > > > Sounds to me that it "might" be time for Britain to show some > > > >> > > "Righteous > > > >> > > > Indignation" and "break" Cameron and the Tories' > > government..... > > > >> HAR... > > > >> > > > Instead? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
