On 4/15/07, Nicolas Roard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/15/07, Jesse Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, it's really cool, and there are some very good ideas. I like the > > tag system, though you are not showing what happens when clicking on > > one of those "smart folders". > > It would be similar to what you see with the Shelf Tag Overlay, > except the contents would be, say, Person objects when you click on > the People Tag Overlay, etc. But yes, I do need to make > representations of those. Well, we should decide how that works -- I mean, if I click on a smart folder icon, we could decide to have it shown: - on the desktop, replacing the current one ? - in a window, eg kinda like a filemanager would do ? - in an overlay shelf ? Actually it seems that in your current design you completely get rid of windows ? > > I kinda like the way projects are shown, although I'm less convainced > > by the whole overlay system. I think it would be better to have no > > project management overlay, > > Where would all the Projects live? They're not tagged, so it doesn't > make sense to have them in a tag list. I'm open to other suggestions > for how to do Project management, though. I do not see a reason why "types" (projects,objects..) would be different than "tags" -- for me they are equivalent. One unrelated thing actually, we could have hierarchical tagging, as in Aperture (you can simply define tag hierarchy, which means that if you apply a tag that has children, all the children tags will be also applied). > > and just keep the shelf overlay (possibly > > though you could create more than one shelf). On the projects > > themselves, we could get rid of the document toolbar on the right. > > Where do you want minimized active documents to go? Back to the > Project Overlay? (I would actually be fine with that -- we could > remove the distinction between closed and minimized documents). why not putting them into the "project management toolbar" on the bottom ? > > The right-corner project icon should be a smart folder as well, no ? > > Well, in essence it is, but it's not "smart" in that you're doing no > searching or tagging. Clicking that icon simply shows you all the > Projects on your system. Er.. in what is it different then smart folder ? I mean, that's exactly what a smart folder do, no ? > Some other notes not in my last email: > > This is based almost exactly on Brian's write-up here: http:// > brian.muhumuza.googlepages.com/working_with_objects.html > I stole the Project Overlay system from him. > > I am up for something completely different than what I made, > particularly if it's less mentally complex. The dual Tag/Project > overlay system can become very, very messy quickly (consider that you > might be viewing a Project, a Project Overlay, and a Tag Overlay all > at once). > > I had also considered unifying Tags and Projects (so that every > Project was just the result of tag1+tag2+...+tagN), but that doesn't > really work either (as per the email called 'Tags, Projects and > Objects' that I sent earlier). It may be that Tags and Projects are > just not compatible, and we have to have one or the other. Well, for one thing I believe the current mockup shows that the proposed architecture is way too complex... which is why I think we could get rid of project overlay, just keep the shelves system and that's it. I also believe that tags and projects could be unified -- or more exactly, that tags and types should be unified, project beeing simply one particular type. Actually.. perhaps not unified in that types == tags, but in that the "smart folders" can work on both types and tags (and other meta data too I guess, like the date, etc.)
Types == tags, only that types are not determined by the user. An object's type defines it and cannot change but tags are user defined. I think making the distinction is ok because a user has no control of an object's type. It would be inconsistent to be able to change some tags and not others. It could also be misleading if it appeared that a user could change a file's type by removing the "file type" tag
I'm open to whatever though, so throw some ideas my way. I'd rather > do hundreds of mockups and get us at a shared vision, than not do any > mockups and have everyone working blindly. Yes. Frankly having mockups are extremely helpful, and before committing to a particular vision/idea having a mockup to discuss the idea is ideal ! :-) -- Nicolas Roard "La perfection, ce n'est pas quand il n'y a plus rien à ajouter, c'est quand il n'y a plus rien à enlever." -- Antoine de St-Exupéry _______________________________________________ Etoile-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/etoile-discuss
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