Sorry The average american houshold owns 2.3 cars. Only 34% own one, but 35% own three or more. A pure EV is simply not going to make economical sense for a single family car. Let them buy a hybrid.
So why try to imply the EV's are not ready for prime time when the other 66% would be more than happy to save $20,000 on a huge battery that they simply dont need nor want! Sure, different strokes for different folks, but EV enthusiasts are shooting us in the foot when they claim that EV's are no viable until they have 200 mile batteries! At $300/kWh by 2020, that's $20,000 for a 200 mile battery. For an EV that should only cost about $20k, then why pay DOUBLE for a battery that 66% of us don't need. Sure SOME people need a200 mile battery and some will be happy to pay for it. But please stop implying that EV's are not ready for general use until everyone gets a 200 mile battery. Bob, Wb4APR On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Ben Goren via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > If vehicle purchase was only about economics, 80% of commuter vehicles > would be mopeds and Vespa-style scooters. That they're not should tell you > that much more than mere economics goes into vehicle purchase decisions... > > ...and "freedom" (or versatility) is very high on that list. Indeed, it's > the sort of thing so high on the list that it's not even a consideration > for anybody until it's not available or somehow limited. > > Another example: I'd guess that probably 80% of driving is done at speeds > of 45 MPH and below. It would be very economical to buy a vehicle with a > top speed of only 45 MPH. Yet who seriously considers a vehicle that's not > rated for the freeway, save for certain very limited domains (like golf > cars in retirement communities)? > > Or, heck. Probably 80% of driving is done during daylight hours, too, so > why bother with the expense of headlights when you can just make sure you > never have to drive at night? And 80% of driving is done in dry conditions, > so why have windshield wipers when you can just stay home when it might > rain? > > I could go on, but you hopefully get the point. > > Today's EV fleet makes all kinds of sense for significant numbers of > people, including many who might initially dismiss them out of hand. We > should make sure everybody seriously considers them, but we most > emphatically should *NOT* try to convince people that they can be happy > with an EV by reducing their expectations for what a car should be capable > of. If you're a single-car household today and you make monthly trips > towing your boat to the lake 75 miles away, even if your daily commute is a > mere ten miles, an EV isn't for you -- and that's just fine! Wait for the > technology to catch up, but don't feel guilty in the mean time because you > don't meet some idealized purity test of maximum economy. > > b& > > On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > Sure they might exist but it's not economical to own that much battery > for occasional use. > > > > People like that usually have multiple cars. > > > > We first must get past the adoption curve. Too much range anxiety among > people with no EV experience. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack> 700Wh/kg, > lighter-weight > > > > > > Isn't that a bit extreme? What about the many people who want to own > > only one car and normally drive 20 miles a day but once a week or so go > > out of town - to the mountains, to the beach, to the inlaws... They > > could rent but might prefer the convenience of having their own vehicle > > ready to go. > > > > Peri > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > To: "Ben Goren" <b...@trumpetpower.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > > List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "brucedp5" <bruce...@operamail.com> > > Sent: 06-Mar-15 9:50:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack> 700Wh/kg, > > lighter-weight > > > >> It is ludicrous for someone to be paying for a 200 mile battery when > >> all > >> she needs is 80. As with everything else, there needs to be a variety. > >> The smart EV shopper buys the -smallest- battery that meets her daily > >> need. Paying for a 200 mile battery is like commuting 10 miles a day > >> and > >> dropping off the kids in a hummer. > >> > >> Bob, WB4APR > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via > >> EV > >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:59 AM > >> To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack> 700Wh/kg, > >> lighter-weight > >> > >> On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:19 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > >> > >>> [T]he kind of developments being researched by BASF could very well > >>> pave > >> the way to cars that could travel more than 1,000 miles on a battery > >> pack > >> the same size as the ones in today's mid-priced electric cars. > >> > >> I'm sure we'll never see significant numbers of thousand-mile-range > >> cars > >> on the market. That's almost twelve hours at 85 MPH, and over eighteen > >> hours at 55 MPH. > >> > >> What we'd see long before then would be cars with half as much battery. > >> Never mind the savings in money; the space and weight could be put to > >> better use. > >> > >> Or, if a battery of that much capacity winds up in a vehicle, the > >> vehicle > >> will be something like the Hummer: hugely oversized and inefficient, > >> but > >> still with a 500-mile range due to twice the batteries. > >> > >> It looks like a 200-mile range seems to be the point where "Joe > >> Sixpack" > >> stops having crippling amounts of range anxiety (whether justified or > >> not), and we're transitioning to that being not untypical. Tesla's had > >> that for a while and all the rumors are about the next vehicles from > >> various major manufacturers meeting that spec. > >> > >> I'd expect most cars to eventually settle on a 250 - 350 mile range, no > >> matter what happens to battery capacity. There might be some premium > >> models with a 500+ mile range for bragging / non-stop cross-country > >> touring (65 MPH * 8 hours = 520 miles), but never a 1000 mile range. > >> > >> b& > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: signature.asc > >> Type: application/pgp-signature > >> Size: 801 bytes > >> Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail > >> URL: > >> < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150306/7fb6c0 > >> d0/attachment.pgp> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150306/077cfc64/attachment-0001.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 801 bytes > Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150306/8781470a/attachment.pgp > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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