Marty, although I am not Bruno and do not intend to speak for him in any sense, the concept of 'free will' has been invented on two different bases:
1. The ignorance of motivations in the widest sense, our limited access to factors (relations) involved in a 'decision' - we know only a fraction of such and the known part may not fully justify the decisionmakling result. And 2. The religious manipulation of the 'believer' (faithful?) into a guilt-feeling, that carries a punishment (evtl. in the afterlife?) so the person abide by the rules of the religion to escape from such punishment drawn upon him by (alleged) *free will* decided sins. As I see from that exciting list of your references, you stand firmly on a comp-related basis. My example (since 1992) upon AI with a free mind (will?) was to suppose the response of a computer upon entering a command to do something astronomical: *"OK, I will do it, but first I like to play some J.S.Bach music, then I will work on your pleasure in astronomy". * THAT would be computer (AI?) free will. (Similarly reducible to *some*determinism...) *Order *(any kind, in accordance with human logic, or not) requires some form of a deterministic system. - David Bohm called 'order' the knowledge we carry about something (his explicate order vs. his implicate disorder - the unknown). We find order in our observations (more. or less) hence the 'rules' in the sciences *Things* (in the mostly unrestricted sense) have relations with all the other 'things' and relations carry anticipatory momenta about likely, or less likely changes. A composite of such is the basis for a happening (in mental terms: decision, which may not be followed by a consequential 'happening' in conscious - self-reflective computers). *Math, especially arithmetics is a rather mechanistical segment - not applying esoteric combinations from other domains that may be contradictory - physics-figment is math-based and the new 'fabulous' (Q?physical) domains are created to comply with paradoxical ideas that require 'more' than the basic math-based simpletons. They develop their appropriate math to apply and the 'axioms' facilitating those domains.* Self-destructive and controversial "free-will" happenings are based on combinations of factors that may be not obvious - or unknown so far. "Wrong decisions" may be result of our incomplete 3p view of a decisionmaker's perceived reality content. John M On 3/11/10, m.a. <marty...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > Bruno, > In the light of the article presented below, I'm trying to > remember whether you have committed yourself on this issue one way or > another. marty a. > > > > http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=/news/news_single.html?id%3D11909-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
