Craig: I am not against you, or your opinion in general, but PLEASE: forget about those probability figures. That 1:25million or so chance can be realized right here and right now - as the next case and believe me: if that negligible of all odds happens to you, you will find it MORE than acceptable. JM
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:25:57 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> I really don't know much about the John Birch Society, >> > > > "The John Birch Society has its roots in the 1950s when* it opposed the > U.S.’s affirming the human rights principles of the United Nations*. It > was used as a grassroots corollary to McCarthyism, insisting that imagined > Communists were standing behind every light pole, ready to end the world as > we know it. It still sees itself as fighting Communism, as well as the New > World Order (whatever that is!), big government, the Civil Rights Movement, > feminism, wealth redistribution and more. You are not likely to hear the > John Birch Society using epithets or spewing base language; its values are > more carefully hidden behind flag-waving and obscure and irrelevant legal > principles. Its words are cloaked in concern for the "direction of the > nation." > > John Birchers *opposed the **1964 Civil Rights > Act*,<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Civil_Rights_Act>saying it violates > the Tenth > Amendment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution>to > the United States Constitution and overstepped the rights of individual > states to enact laws regarding civil > rights.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights>On its website, the John > Birch Society complains > that<http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5476-obama-gets-what-thats-right-the-nobel-peace-prize>"President > Obama - the man who got fawning media treatment for no reason, > was elected with a thin resume and exalted without even being a king - has > now been given the Noble Peace Prize." The John Birch Society also opposes > health care reform, gun control, public schools and a host of other > progressive causes. > > The Right-wing "watch" group, Public Research > Associates,<http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/jbs.html>notes: "(T)he Birch > society > *pioneered the encoding of implicit cultural forms of ethnocentric White > racism and Christian nationalist antisemitism* rather than relying on the > White supremacist biological determinism and open loathing of Jews that had > typified the old right prior to WWII. Throughout its existence, however, > the Society has promoted open homophobia and sexism." > > Because it is more "libertarian" than openly racist, anti-Semitic and > sexist, the John Birch Society is often not characterized as a hate group > like the Ku Klux Klan <http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/type.jsp?DT=7>or > the Federation > for American Immigration Reform > (FAIR),<http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=846>at > least as defined by the Southern > Poverty Law Center. <http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp> One way > the John Birch Society escapes that designation is because it receives > support <http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html> from prominent politicians > and elected officials. Birchers work hard to mask the anti-human rights > beliefs that underlie their opinions." (from > http://archive.truthout.org/topstories/112909ms1) > > > but googling it up, find that it was once falsely accused of being >> racist, >> no doubt due to over-zealous liberal hatred of conservatism. >> >> The KKK was very racist. As far as I know it's mostly dead. Good. >> > > Huh? Hate groups are huge. The KKK is pretty small (about 100 chapters and > 5000 members from the estimate I just saw), but there are many more Aryan > groups, growing fast. As has been pointed out - not all conservatives are > racists, but clearly the overwhelming majority (perhaps all?) racists are > conservative. There are no liberals in any hate groups. > > >> >> A greater sin, IMHO is political correctness, supported by Al-qaeda, >> which is sending America down the toilet. If you don't see that, >> no amount of explaining on my part will enlighten you. >> > > Political correctness certainly can be irritating, but it is also > important to protect groups who are vulnerable from threats that escalate > violence. Anti-American/Anti-Western terrorism around the world is > certainly a threat, but not really a significant one for American citizens. > Certainly nothing on the order of the response, which has amounted to open > surveillance and unrestrained powers of control over the population. There > is a far, far greater chance of being struck by lightning than being > affected by terrorism: > > "A companion > piece<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703481004574646963713065116.html>in > the > *Wall Street Journal* lays out the statistics. Since 2000, the odds of > you dying as a result of a terrorist act aboard a commercial American > airliner is 1 in 25 million. The odds of getting struck by lightning: 1 in > 500,000." > http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/01/odds_of_dying_in_terrorist_attack_on_airline_1_in_25_million_struck_by_lightning_1_in_500000.php > > Political correctness has not frozen wages for 35 years. Political > correctness has not outsourced millions of jobs. Political correctness > doesn't evade paying taxes in offshore accounts and lobbying for tax cuts > for the rich. It didn't deregulate the banking industry and make billions > of dollars disappear into a few people's pockets. These are the things that > threaten America. Political correctness? What? Rush Limbaugh is being > hampered in his free expression by liberals? The threat has always been > fascism - from the left or the right. Hate, not politeness. Brutality not > sensitivity. > > As you say though, if you don't see that already, I can't make you see it. > > Craig > > >> >> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >> 9/9/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >> so that everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2012-09-08, 13:30:43 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >>> >>> because ironically and >>> paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. >>> Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never >>> saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought >>> the subject up. >>> >> >> Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call >> those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame >> war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, >> but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as >> people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of >> the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but >> any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have >> written there will interpret it in precisely that way. >> >> Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the >> political orientation of the first strongly political person they are >> exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like >> them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike >> them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. >> Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and >> formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. >> >> Craig >> >> Craig >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >> msg/everything-list/-/VErj_**ANZX8wJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ> >> . >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >> googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/CZH0mviPLMwJ. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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