Hi meekerdb By quanta I meant quantum fields. These are merely mathematical fields of no substance.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/5/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-04, 16:49:55 Subject: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so. On 1/4/2013 8:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi meekerdb > > 1) Materialists don't have any dogmas. Just ask one of them. Theists have nothing but dogmas and you don't have to ask them, they tell you, e.g. one of their dogmas is that materialism is wrong, humans have immortal souls, and God will punish you if you don't like Him. > 2) quanta are not materials. If electrons and quarks aren't material, what is? > 3) materialism cannot accept empty space, since it isn't a material. What is this "accept"? Is it like "have faith in"? Does it mean "accept as dogma"? Most models of the physical world include empty space (although 'empty' is relative to the model). Brent > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/4/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: meekerdb > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-04, 03:14:17 > Subject: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so. > > > On 1/3/2013 11:47 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Russell Standish >> >> Most scientific publications are based on the 19th century religious cult of >> materialism, >> which dogmatically rejects mind and spirit for atheistic purposes (not >> reasons, there are none). > Do you have any citations showing where this dogma is written down? > >> It cannot deal with fields at all, > Ever hear of quantum *field* theory. > >> for example the theory of relativity, since that >> theory asserts that there is no such thing as space (and yet it works). > General relativity is a theory of metric space. > >> M does not >> believe in fields, for they are anathema: immaterial, purely mathematical. >> So of course monads and morphisms are nonsense to a materialist. >> He lives in a fantasy world. > You must be living in some other world to think scientist cannot deal with > fields - a > concept they invented. > > Brent > >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/4/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Russell Standish >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-03, 18:32:37 >> Subject: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 01:46:20PM -0500, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> While you may investigate such things you will be at a loss to publish >>> them except on the internet. Even the Cornell internet archives >>> arXiv.com refuses to publish such results or such thinking. The last >>> person to get such thinking published on arXiv was Nobelist Brian >>> Josephson almost a decade ago http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0312012. >>> >>> Thankfully Peter Gibbs has created a similar list vixra.org where >>> almost anything rejected by arXiv can be published, for example my >>> last paper http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf >>> Richard >> I'm sceptical of Sheldrake's explanation in terms of "morphic fields" >> (or even monads). It makes no sense. However, the empirical effect he >> observed may well stand. We should probe such results, test for any >> methodological flaws, and if they continue to hold up, look for >> alternative explanations that might work. >> >> Of course it is a hard row to hoe. A few years ago, I had some >> empirical results that literally flew in the face of neutral evolution >> thoery >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_theory_of_molecular_evolution). I >> could not get these results published, and got treated by scorn by >> journal referees. Then after about a year of thought, I worked out the >> mechanism - in the end it was quite a simple, but nevertheless real >> effect. This time, the paper was accepted without question. >> >> You can see the resulting paper at arXiv:nlin.AO/0404012 >> >> In spite of thise result having quite profound implications for >> things like the "molecular clock" idea, AFAIK, nobody has investigated >> whether anything like this happens in real biology. >> >> It does also stand as an example of what is required to publish >> contra-paradigmatic results. >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> Principal, High Performance Coders >> Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au >> University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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