Those plucky Canadians -- as you term them -- are criminally destroying vast 
swaths of Alberta turning it into a poisoned chemical saturated moonscape as 
well as sucking up vast amounts of water from other potential uses -- including 
agriculture. Will the bitumen sweated out of that sand be worth the ultimate 
costs to get it?




On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:24 AM, Jesse Mazer <laserma...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
  





On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:

Fur sure, that was the truth. Now we got's shale gas, which seems to pay a lot 
better, is safer to go after, and is cleaner, carbon-wise. Unless you are 
buying into technological unemployment (robots, software) then we have to face 
the fact. BHO's Keynesian way has fallen on its ass and has stayed down, like a 
fighter throwing a fight, after a payoff. 

I've read Keynesians like Paul Krugman say that the level of stimulus was 
actually not enough by Keynesian standards (and too much went to tax cuts), but 
certainly the US economy with its level of stimulus did much better than most 
of the states that more thoroughly rejected Keynesianism and instead chose 
austerity in the midst of a recession, like the UK...see various graphs at 
http://graphsagainstausterity.tumblr.com/ (click on any graph to see the 
original article it came from) 


Increased government employment doesn't seem to generate tax revenue very well. 

Except government employment hasn't increased under Obama, it's actually been 
steadily decreasing during his presidency (apart from a brief spike when the 
decennial census was taken and they needed a lot of temporary census workers), 
due mostly to the Republicans in Congress, whereas under George W. Bush 
government employment was steadily increasing (this collapsing of the public 
sector is probably contributing quite a bit to the slow recovery). See the two 
graphs showing private sector and public sector jobs under Bush and Obama here: 

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/04/public-and-private-sector-payroll-jobs-bush-and-obama.html

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