On 08 Nov 2013, at 03:44, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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Not to be sarcastic, but probably yes. Money from bitumin brings
money for
research into environmental remediation. It also helps liberate
people from
pouring cash into the OPEC world, which seems to only inflame Muslim
passions. Plus the Canadians are world class technologists and will
likely
invent more efficient engines, and also fund the green technologies
that you
crave. Theres a reason why poor nations do not do technology well.
You have a cornucopian view that we can go on making horrible messes
on this
planet without worrying about the consequences because somehow it
will all
get magically remediated.... yeah like that actually happens in the
real
world. Remediation is a cost center NOT a profit center; it is done
only to
the minimum level necessary in order to stay just this side of the
law. You
are free to say whatever you want of course, but I find it difficult
to
believe your hypothesis that the very same humans who profit from
raping the
earth will -- after the fact and after they have lined their pockets
with
ill-gotten wealth -- will somehow do a 180 degree turn and start
behaving in
the altruistic noble manner you seem so certain they will.
Are you saying that the Arabs would be happier if they had no oil
wealth...
that all this money has made them hopping mad?
I read a paper arguing in that direction, showing that Jordanian have
much less tryanny thanks to the absence of oil.
That makes sense. It is easier to do that type of business with
Tyrant, than with elected people.
Bruno
Green technologies are
already proving themselves -- without your plucky Canadian tar sand
billionaires (some of whom are Texans by the way) deciding to invest
their
profits in green technology -- as if they would.
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From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
Those plucky Canadians -- as you term them -- are criminally
destroying vast
swaths of Alberta turning it into a poisoned chemical saturated
moonscape as
well as sucking up vast amounts of water from other potential uses --
including agriculture. Will the bitumen sweated out of that sand be
worth
the ultimate costs to get it?
On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:24 AM, Jesse Mazer
<laserma...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:Fur
sure, that was the truth. Now we got's shale gas, which seems to pay
a lot
better, is safer to go after, and is cleaner, carbon-wise. Unless
you are
buying into technological unemployment (robots, software) then we
have to
face the fact. BHO's Keynesian way has fallen on its ass and has
stayed
down, like a fighter throwing a fight, after a payoff.
I've read Keynesians like Paul Krugman say that the level of
stimulus was
actually not enough by Keynesian standards (and too much went to tax
cuts),
but certainly the US economy with its level of stimulus did much
better than
most of the states that more thoroughly rejected Keynesianism and
instead
chose austerity in the midst of a recession, like the UK...see various
graphs at http://graphsagainstausterity.tumblr.com/ (click on any
graph to
see the original article it came from)
Increased government employment doesn't seem to generate tax
revenue very
well.
Except government employment hasn't increased under Obama, it's
actually
been steadily decreasing during his presidency (apart from a brief
spike
when the decennial census was taken and they needed a lot of temporary
census workers), due mostly to the Republicans in Congress, whereas
under
George W. Bush government employment was steadily increasing (this
collapsing of the public sector is probably contributing quite a bit
to the
slow recovery). See the two graphs showing private sector and public
sector
jobs under Bush and Obama here:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/04/public-and-private-
sector-payroll-jobs-bush-and-obama.html
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