Cool, I didn't bother to look it up, but rather remembered San Onofre. Whatever you want for solar, and if it cannot supply replacement electricity sufficiently, and you still shutdown the dirty sources, anyway, people will die.
-----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World One example might be the San Onofre plant in California, near San Diego. It's a uranium burner, and supplies 90% of the electricity, about 85% of the time. But let us look at your sun and wind power contribution that you mentioned before. 40 GW, which I am assuming, is GW's per kilowatt hour, rather than a day, a week, etc? Lets say, its not inconsiderable (40 x 1000 MW plants) but its also not reliable when the sun don't shine, the winds don't blow. Do you expect these clean sources to fully replace the dirty one's in ten years, twenty years, five years, thirty? When can we turn of these poisonous electricity sources that we have come to rely on? Do you advocate shutting these suckers down, before the solar and wind supplied power is fully, implemented? The San Onofre nuclear power plant has been decommissioned – it is past its service life and now many more billions of dollars are going to be need to be spent over decades of time in order to decommission this facility – (it was very intelligently sited on an earthquake fault line by the way) Cost estimates for permanently closing and decommissioning San Onofre are over $4 billion. “The plant's first unit, Unit 1, operated from 1968 to 1992.[5] Unit 2 was started in 1983 and Unit 3 started in 1984. Upgrades designed to last 20 years were made to the reactor units in 2009 and 2010; however, both reactors had to be shut down in January 2012 due to premature wear found on over 3,000 tubes in the recently replaced steam generators.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station The actual answer to your question then is that the San Onofre power plants are supplying 0% of the San Diego electric energy market with electric power. You might want to pick a better example to make your case. LOL -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 1:51 pm Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World Name me one large city that gets its power 100% exclusively from coal or from nuclear? You can’t because all major energy markets are fed by a mix of energy generation capacity. Yet you keep on with this straw man argument. Why? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:14 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World I would say you are incorrect concerning cities which rely on one primary power source, especially, if its local or regional. Power by wire, is common practice, but first we must have sufficient spinning, or ready reserve. My objection is now the source of power, but if it produce enough power at an affordable cost? Your solar and wind may, 17 years from now, do the job that gas turbines, or nukes, or coal, or hydroelectric does right now. Right now, today 40 GW (is that Gigawatt hours or days?) is no more then a trifling amount of what is needed by the human species. I object to governments switching off power, when no sufficient substitute now exists. Many greens are fine with rolling blackouts and brownouts because at least whatever power is produced is environmentally benign. I suspect that when people start doing a die-off, the Greens will state: "Oh, then would've died anyway from pollution, contamination, and a ruined environment.." -----Original Message----- From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:44 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/9/2013 4:53 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Your basically saying I am wrong for no contestable reason, you have no city in the world to cite to me that is powered by solar power or wind, for that matter, And there are none powered exclusively by hydroelectric power either. It's a completely specious critereon that you cite as though it meant something. Because B cannot now completely satisfy all demand for X currently supplied by A doesn't make B useless, nor does it make A desirable or necessary. 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