On 26 June 2014 15:25, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 6/25/2014 6:47 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 26 June 2014 09:08, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 6/25/2014 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> Now I know Bruno will say this is just choosing the wrong level, but >>> the point is that it's not just the level which is sufficient for >>> interaction with neurons, but also the level which captures interaction >>> with 'external' or 'environmental' variables, especially perceptions. Then >>> we must contemplate not just replacing some brain components, but >>> simulating some of the external world. So it seems to me there is a >>> tradeoff. >>> >> >> This is why Bruno often says you can assume the whole milky-way galaxy. >> Which makes no theoretical difference once you assume the laws of physics >> are computable. If you emulate a large enough volume, then it takes some >> FTL effect beyond the past light cone of the emulated volume to mess things >> up. >> >> Exactly. But that's why I don't find step 8 convincing. If you have >> to simulate so much that you've essentially created a simulated world, then >> all you've shown is that a *simulated *consciousness can exist in a * >> simulated *world and this is indpendent of the physical substrate. >> > > Not quite. If you assume no zombies, then you've shown that an *actual* > consciousness can exist in a simulated world. > > Sure, that's already implicit in assuming consciousness is produced by > certain computational processes. >
Yes, so there was no need to say "simulated" above. It looked as though you were trying to make a distinction when there isn't one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
