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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us
Hi Chris,
Does it seem to you that there are two aspects to communication:
1) the physical aspects of the signaling: physically detectable
2) the computational interpretation of the signals: logically inferable?
We have no idea if plants have interpretation of the chemical signals in
addition to the mere presence and/or absence of such, but presence/absence is
sufficient, IMHO, to satisfy 2).
We do know that other plants are clearly able to interpret the chemical signals
they receive, producing the expected appropriate response. How they do so is
not so clear to me, but it could be a simple chemical triggering system – where
the shape and fit of a particular complex folded aromatic chemical might bind
to some specific receptor site and trigger processes at a cellular level.
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us
Chris: and why on Earth would you exclude the communication of plants etc. from
the broad meaning of "language"? (They don't have a blabbermouth).
JM
I personally don’t, but probably most people would not think of this system of
communication as being a form of language…. Or at least that is what I thought;
maybe I am not giving most people enough credit.
-Chris
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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>>We learn of each other by interacting.... this becomes communication once
>>languages emerge...
Want to point out that important communication occurs in nature without what we
would commonly term language being used. For example, it appears there exists a
widespread intra & trans-species chemical based signaling system operating
amongst plants species (at least amongst those studied), where they are
communicating the presence of pathogens and predator species to other nearby
plants, in a fairly specific manner that seems to be “understood” by other
plants who respond to these specific chemical signals in a timely and
appropriate manner.
-Chris
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