On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > On 02 Oct 2014, at 14:41, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:25 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> >> >>> This is why I find protein folding intriguing. I see the following >>> possibilities: >>> >>> -> Molecular interactions entail an immense computational power; >>> -> P = NP; >>> -> We are constantly winning at quantum suicide. >>> Am I missing something? >>> >> >> P=/=NP doesn't mean that NP problems require "immense computational >> power" beyond what could biochemistry can provide. Being NP is just a >> statement about how a problem scales with size of the input. But for some >> given finite size it might be quickly solved. >> > > Right, but with protein folding we have an interesting comparison. Given > the practical applications, many bioinformatics labs are working on the > problem. Finding the lowest energy state for many interesting proteins > seems to be beyond the capabilities of very powerful clusters using current > algorithms. > > I agree with you that the most likely answer is that biochemistry can > indeed provide this computational power, but this is not an observation > devoid of interesting implications. One is technological: imagine what we > could do with biochemical computers. The other is related to the brain: if > biochemistry can unleash this computational power, then surely the brain > uses it. In which case our estimations of how far away we are from AGI may > be optimistic. > > > But what is an AGI? A machine which decapitate another machines becomes > the run another program? > We already have something a bit like this with Tom Ray's Tierra environment. A lot of interesting things happen there, live parasitism and viruses, all in a machine code ecology. In any case, I mean AGI in the engineering sense: the sort of technology that can free us from unwanted work. Or, put another way, a level of automation where no task requires a human. So that humans are free to pursue poetry, space exploration, sex orgies or whatever else they please. > > I think that Löbian universal machines are already intelligent, and that > we can accelerate the growing of competence, although this is utimately > what intelligence is for on this plane, but this might limit their > intelligence, and indeed they might become as delusional and 'stupid' like > us and get sleepy in the samsara. > I like your intelligence/competence dichotomy. It's usually artists that are more aware of this, I think. Out culture is not really paying attention at the moment, the momentum is too strong in the competence direction, I think. Telmo. > > > > > Sorry for the tangents in any case. > > > Sorry for mine too. > > Best, > > Bruno > > > > Cheers > Telmo. > > >> >> Brent >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
