Le 14 avr. 2015 08:04, "Stathis Papaioannou" <stath...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > On 14 April 2015 at 15:29, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Le 14 avr. 2015 03:04, "Stathis Papaioannou" <stath...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> > >> On 14 April 2015 at 09:52, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> > >> wrote: > >> > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> My body disintegrates yet I feel that I persist. I say this means > >> >> personal > >> >> identity is an illusion; you can disagree about use of the word > >> >> "illusion" > >> >> but the underlying fact is unchanged. > >> > > >> > > >> > I think all you are saying is that you don't believe in Cartesian > >> > duality -- > >> > there is no separate 'soul' that survives bodily changes and provides > >> > the > >> > 'true' personal identity. I don't think the Cartesian model is necessary > >> > for > >> > one to be able to say that personal identity is not just an illusion. > >> > >> It's an illusion even in a dualist model, because dualism does not > >> logically rule out copying. > > > > Some sort of dualisms could allow duplication others don't. Saying you can > > whatever methaphysical axioms is false. Consciousness could be linked for > > example by an invisible force to your body by an unknown and unknowable and > > unmeasurable link that cannot ne copied or associated to another body. > > Starting with if consciousness is duplicable, then letting the if down *is* > > a metaphysical commitment. As far as real science goes we have never ever > > duplicated consciousness. I'm not saying it is not possible, because as I > > recall to you, I mainly believe in computationalism, but right now all > > options are open and even if one day we can and do make copies, we're still > > lacking any sharable tests that can without questions prove it or give > > enough evidences. > > Certainly some theories of consciousness might not allow copying, but > that cannot be a logical requirement. To claim that something is > logically impossible is to claim that it is self-contradictory.
I don't see why a theory saying like I said in the upper paragraph that consciousness could not be copied would be selfcontradictory... You have to see that when you say consciousness is duplicatable, you assume a lot of things about the reality and how it is working, and that you're making a metaphysical commitment, a leap of faith concerning what you assume the real to be and the reality itself. That's all I'm saying, but clearly if computationalism is true consciousness is obviously duplicatable. Quentin A > married bachelor is an example of this; not even God could create one. > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
