> On 30-May-2015, at 5:41 am, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 29-May-2015, at 5:41 pm, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due >>>>>> to our own negligence. >>>>> >>>>> That is known as "victim blaming". It's the psychology of a sadist - the >>>>> same as the rapist's "she was asking for it". >>>> >>>> That's a horrible analogy! >>>> Consider the following verses: >>>> >>>> http://quran.com/7/35-36 O children of Adam, if there come to you >>>> messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears >>>> Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they >>>> grieve. But the ones who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - >>>> those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally. >>> >>> Morally, how do you justify punishment for not believing something? You may >>> be foolish if you believe the wrong thing, but not bad. In this respect, >>> God's morals seem inferior to humans'. >> >> If you read the verses 7/172-174 quoted below in my previous email, it >> states that God made us testify that He is our Lord. I think this can >> probably be understood in terms of the consciousness discussion that has >> been going on in other threads. Though we do not remember this, however >> according to these verses, we did at one time testify to it -- much before >> being sent to this world. At another place in the Quran, God states that He >> has created us as His 'ibaad' meaning slaves. That means that we submit only >> to God and to nothing else, that we serve Him alone. And at another place, >> it states that there is no compulsion in religion, hence whoever wishes can >> strive for a beautiful future, and whoever rejects is forewarned. I see life >> in this world some thing like a quality control, of being plugged into the >> Matrix, and striving to improve our reality. > > The point is, if there's not enough evidence for a rational, impartial person > to believe something, it is morally wrong to punish them for not believing > it. For example, if the government passes a law and keeps it secret, allowing > only easily dismissed rumours of it to get out, it is morally wrong to then > reveal the law and punish people who didn't obey it. Note that this has > nothing to do with whether the belief is good or bad - only if it is true. I > could say that the Quran is a wonderful document, but unfortunately there is > insufficient evidence that it is true; or alternatively, that it is an evil > document, but unfortunately the evidence suggests that it is true. >
Which is why I suggest that those who understand science should evaluate the Quranic statements about nature to examine if the author knows what he is talking about. As per my understanding, nobody is being asked for irrational belief. There is enough evidence in nature for any keen mind to know that their must be a creator behind all this, enough evidence from history to know that there cannot be more than one master-king, otherwise everything would be in chaos, and multiple messengers, prophets and scriptures have been sent for guidance. Irrespective of the behaviour and actions of Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, people of any faith or the lack of it, we must remember that each one of us will be judged individually and rewarded according to our beliefs and actions, taking into account all our limitations and all our efforts. There will be no injustice! Samiya > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
