On 10/13/2015 3:53 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 14 October 2015 at 09:46, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 10/13/2015 3:36 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
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Standard computationalism does not say anything about whether
matter is primary or not. It says that you can make a computer
(or a robot) that thinks and acts like a human. Those opposed to
computationalism disagree. They believe either that is not
possible to make a computer that behaves like a human because
there is non-computable physics in the brain (eg. Roger Penrose),
or that it is possible to make a computer that behaves like a
human but not one that thinks like a human (eg. John Searle).
But the problem with what you say is that on this list
"computationalism" tends to mean much more than, "you can make a
computer (or a robot) that thinks and acts like a human". Bruno
claims to have proven that your simple statement logically entails
that all of physics and consciousness. But that is not so
generally accepted and so when someone "reject computationalism"
here, it may be they are just rejecting the inferences Bruno
claims it entails.
I take Bruno's term "comp" to mean computationalism plus the
conclusions he draws from it.
But with that extended meaning, the following two sentences are not
true: "It says that you can make a computer (or a robot) that thinks and
acts like a human. Those opposed to computationalism disagree." Those
who reject (extended) computationalism, may very well agree.
Brent
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